From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OfKB8-0002gV-HH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:05:14 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 143E4E0C5F; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBB0E0C72 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7081B4156; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 22:05:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Locale check in python_pkg_setup() Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:04:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.1 (Linux/2.6.34; KDE/4.4.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: James Cloos References: <201007300116.43653.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <4C530291.2010100@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart10614140.0iYWbSN2ZC"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201007311804.52507.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 0e8519ec-23f8-4881-98fe-0ee8cb779790 X-Archives-Hash: 1d9d6d2e9af97a8125374073bbaf02a2 --nextPart10614140.0iYWbSN2ZC Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, July 31, 2010 17:39:27 James Cloos wrote: > Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan writes: > > Another thing we can consider is making UTF8 the default setup in > > Gentoo. I think most people (including me) don't care whether it's > > C or UTF8 as long as it works. >=20 > Forcing utf-8 will only be reasonable when there is a C.UTF-8 and/or > a POSIX.UTF-8 locale. >=20 > In fact, glibc's insistance that C and POSIX are ascii rather than raw > unspecified eight bit is itself a bug. yeah, no. take it up with the POSIX group where they're already working on= =20 defining a C.UTF-8/etc... locale. > That should be done upstream in glibc, but were they to refuse then > Gentoo should add it to the glibc ebuild. this doesnt really make sense, upstream or down. if you wanted to talk abo= ut=20 setting default LANG in the baselayout, then that's about the only reasonab= le=20 possibility (especially since we already do this to a degree). screwing wi= th=20 default locale when no locale variables are set is madness. > The language_country locales are just wrong for root. They are often > broken (locales like en_US force case-insensitive colation, meaning that > a command such as 'rm [a-z]*' will unlink(2) 'Makefile' and similar files > which one would not expect to match) and cause bugs. this is pure opinion =2Dmike --nextPart10614140.0iYWbSN2ZC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJMVJ4EAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WB1cIQANtJTCm6cGBfuNuxJ7oH+b/w zafPMxhWgLG72Ky0KMNIxTmqVFhXc6jsNUba+/bEnF0ccXoNyaiYxIOHiSoR/eUc K++4oHH2ivFGs/bQREMQeV75bombnjNR/Gvqity+neu65Kz3eH8h1KFkt/zG96Wd ubOU/suZ1WUoMAbtYXRkMnw4+Ko1ZL1bT9hByxFM8y4/wfQZEMhh2vn4k4Lz1lNR IViX1swDmYVZp0G+5a7k6sitqpb2C4MCCpzcszwMqJYbjZLlPU96rhTugFIwPkYv H/pYVNS1JMM90FIsLh69LKuEcY8HeopxL19a0iWuVh6RGs8cPGDIskRuYCKtZg5a ynglarz04Wj1grjoWdXFTSY44OYabUdBhlPumlAsfM2nCUsfp6P/GlRg/UfjRKuk DanO1jksbIwqoE6YxWT+yU4QjRCmQY2CUTgQstbMN7G4xbLbUlyZum25tOsSgu3L PtrFQFBHHBJ3G2k5FV7I3+hziRqQFp2IyPNaM1Vin6Pqotaf+29uTIVyoxbiEb1N UwpJWW6stZZFM92qW1YsFu9B8ywj7E3ObXGoGlBXoTtpR4hKFnQcEn++n0fZ0UlF YqnX0werU5lDjP9Izj9Ypgbfaj8ohAPjace5if4YBKu4Bgl3J41DVwspmqLW1pYv MeLqd0GZ4Pn4Ah/mLFbU =uu+k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart10614140.0iYWbSN2ZC--