From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OcI5V-0000a3-Jd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:14:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D33BE0C1D; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:14:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f181.google.com (mail-ey0-f181.google.com [209.85.215.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818FAE0C16 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so40922eyd.40 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:disposition-notification-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=3syjjrWZDsd6ljuoO651knMxaHGWPMA450oltDWA2Ug=; b=vEcnuGCOu0Ohf7QvF41q5CnTJQYK7RKi8lkki8KwUItkEvkmTp1Lht8ktBKTKqrL09 q2+noSp/Ku7vL838qBZWFWEPKbxsqYO32PozBOmd2KhJfro8mQWdRz8Hyn6D/Jozt10n Qz+Csmmt8/Gqzg0IbbRVQJYnuEE4TagALPBek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :disposition-notification-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=Xzu3MqcCFyr3UbGfyPE1mZeI97U1XtJPNcbwf0KjnO6TXvRf3YvEfhhJ2gSnMNh+rd M4WdJBy7X6kVAizinmxoKyTc8lY6LMicmRyjWtFsKf7L08RYk0UnJPcxyUXF5ILoQMDL 881Qvb8kOVtk6RvJRPUzqRf9AdtwPZ+PN8eMI= Received: by 10.213.28.204 with SMTP id n12mr595477ebc.30.1279890880908; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lebrodyl.localnet (ann31.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.26.95.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x54sm363878eeh.17.2010.07.23.06.14.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Maciej Mrozowski To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New global USE flag: introspection Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:14:34 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.34-gentoo-r1; KDE/4.4.93; x86_64; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart47407448.U6eoBorOKo"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201007231514.35610.reavertm@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 27176d3d-9d0e-4665-a39c-3124a3cf3080 X-Archives-Hash: a0c5c507d4163fd46f28de5260382fea --nextPart47407448.U6eoBorOKo Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 22 of June 2010 19:14:38 Arun Raghavan wrote: > On 20 June 2010 20:12, Arun Raghavan wrote: > [...] >=20 > > Any objections? I'll wait till Wed (June 23rd) before adding this if > > there aren't any. >=20 > Is anyone here vehemently against "introspection". Not vehemently, but how would you differentiate between gobject introspecti= on=20 or (let's say) DBus introspection or Kross (if anyone writes one). 'introspection' global USE flag simply cannot be described as: "Use dev-libs/gobject-introspection for introspection" because the term introspection is not specific to GObject. Period. Now, I don't want to sound harsh, but I understand in Gnome camp (upstream)= =20 there's a tendency to use commonly used names for Gnome specific=20 "technologies". For instance - there's WebKitGtk but tarballs is called (ye= s,=20 you guessed it) - webkit-${PV}.tar.gz. It's like for many Desktop Environme= nt=20 means Gnome, Linux means Ubuntu and such. The same applies to GObject introspection - in autotools there's --enable- introspection switch for it like the term introspection was exclusive for=20 GObject. Also many upstream developers working with Gnome/Gtk/Glib libs and= =20 using said GObject introspection will defend their right to hijack this ter= m=20 (like certain developer of a library I maintain in Gentoo). I'd prefer not to see such practice here. I'd suggest gobject-introspection USE flag instead - it's self describing. If 'introspection' USE flag is to be used globally, it needs to have=20 description implementation-agnostic, let's say: "Enable runtime API introspection" or something like this. =2D-=20 regards MM --nextPart47407448.U6eoBorOKo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkxJlbsACgkQFuHa/bHpVdsYrQCfUW5KT1EgW19J4JPnhAaCFZ7F mPAAoKm28/BuxohWHxxRQ0aTXMqJWXay =tI2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart47407448.U6eoBorOKo--