From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OVaXx-0003f5-8X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 01:32:33 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89857E09F9; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:32:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com (mail-pv0-f181.google.com [74.125.83.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF709E0976 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 01:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pvg6 with SMTP id 6so1499432pvg.40 for ; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=aZn8vlIajO9B/jVMVQID6O6o5+iBfZg/0tGv2lRtgH4=; b=TRVQbyOS4V777xgjHxsxb2esbTFREaEJHd2Y9B8w3FcMyPzEBLSHtEn4YPl0Cfgzdq zs6DV+6Sz0KuOhS/ruQnS/AdzLtxaDWtYTN658bzUl1lu0J5xYCfizskhT7mW5Dsnspk iI9ah+6FWKbwdbc0aeqA3HPWp0bvFU8CjG+WI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=g+/pSjIMxD1v27f3NWzDD/tIwMFMux2e2X7wl9RRTrog50sPTMmV21NHTnvPTBF+c+ Nra0ZSO+0n/MhfhRg9oSj1IAKagHSiXiovBszCNmpcDJFVTvGCRn2ZwcLOD7Zuuqp26l w2LVYQvNefPOOIYL42F66i0O94iQSMmNBo2ls= Received: by 10.114.109.10 with SMTP id h10mr2323230wac.132.1278293538098; Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-67-171-128-62.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.171.128.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d35sm55415900waa.21.2010.07.04.18.32.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 04 Jul 2010 18:30:18 -0700 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 18:30:18 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The future of sys-apps/openrc in Gentoo Message-ID: <20100705013018.GB16030@hrair> References: <201007041630.07537.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <201007041702.43848.vapier@gentoo.org> <201007050004.41284.polynomial-c@gentoo.org> <201007041815.44902.vapier@gentoo.org> <1278291821.2567.3.camel@TesterTop4> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1278291821.2567.3.camel@TesterTop4> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 1c7d056f-2fa0-47ce-b4f9-2999b90829ca X-Archives-Hash: 99c542816eef5f377d0b4d452d08ebf2 --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 09:03:41PM -0400, Olivier Crrrte wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 18:15 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > which is trivial to fix and anyone with commit privs could have done. = it=20 > > certainly doesnt warrant a paniced "the sky is falling" message. >=20 > I think this is a great occasion to dump our stupid custom crap and > switch to SystemD, PolicyKit, NetworkManager, etc. Anyone with half a > brain already dropped our stuff. And the lack of use of modern tools is > the reason I don't use Gentoo on my work computer anymore. Requiring policykit, let alone networkmanager and dbus as a default is=20 not something I'd personally agree with as a sane choice. If you're=20 trying to build *just* a desktop distro, sure, it's sane. We're not=20 however, thus invalidating those options from where I'm sitting. Regarding systemd, someone needs to do some pretty serious prototyping=20 of it before it's even an option- on paper it looks rather promising. =20 Paper !=3D reality. With respect to systemd's upstream, someone has to=20 do the legwork of proving it matches its hype- specifically that it is=20 a good fit for gentoo. I'll skip the modern tools portion of the complaint, since that's=20 just a bit ranty ;) ~harring --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwxNaoACgkQsiLx3HvNzgcENgCfX+8ILF+AWc3ygm5B0Wk7aS52 0PUAoJTyUPaUmrHfssGNsFR8PhqtbFlh =O3tM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --HcAYCG3uE/tztfnV--