From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OUOia-0004gC-G9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2010 18:42:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DAECE0954; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFCCE0970 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7B71B40D5; Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:41:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] debug USE flag misuse Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:40:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.1 (Linux/2.6.34; KDE/4.4.4; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Vaeth References: In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1862161.vE34YALCzU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201007011440.26226.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 95470f28-3aff-4cc6-8f71-39ef265de272 X-Archives-Hash: 1e6718414a29bccaa016ea6e0194d4b2 --nextPart1862161.vE34YALCzU Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday, July 01, 2010 08:53:19 Vaeth wrote: > The debug USE flag in eix is also about convenience for the user: > If eix segfaults, it prints instructions how to produce a backtrace > in such a way which is most likely useful for upstream to locate > the problem. > Currently, these instructions are rather simple, because they can > refer to USE=3Ddebug. Omitting the debug USE flag would complicate > the instructions, making debugging less convenient for the user > and for upstream. Why should such an inconvenience be necessary? > Only to follow some abstract fundamental policy about what USE flags > are allowed to do? If this is really the case then perhaps there is > something wrong with that policy. this is in no way specific to eix. if you want convenience, design a real= =20 solution common to *all* packages and post it to the list. =20 arbitrary/inconsistent hacks utilizing USE=3Ddebug is wrong. =2Dmike --nextPart1862161.vE34YALCzU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJMLOEaAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBKOoQANJyzt/dwNxLOafmbevwJeA8 boTKH81Qv7Bd1RlPqjxSscfmeyeyMqcEPAX2CG8oN6GEm7w/cvQEsDbCGabnkXXT kb0hWq3LEctaVStKYfyofe2VKCDv3DkBd37+XvROPpmyk404fw6GKJgsZKnaNfXB TPklQ5tYEXjaPaQPj6cok62CT7QPMRuEO6zS9u85Uqn/DwWjU+m5m7HO8lUNRXjk fTb1bxrleXCKtbDZdT1V6uWLgPyz0d4mkcTY9nbRl6Huz5YFFopjIaADc6WGFj0Y uwOeIwE5CTeU6viomtjN7oSMkvi7p+oRNWm0J7XmgM98jYmPyosfYHb4Z/P2aApN Fr+WDd/Eh0uMKwWr/W/wRQgRx9WOPEA/efgfILsZz5bPNn51a6HFINUgwsjUym01 aPE0e7Jk95sCqyHvYkcNbOXSILctncc2fNI3T7TbdnVQO6Pw/l6Pnd28yvrOKu5v IZyyHZbzn3+zobjtNNtv7QviFOHdWwukQxdn4xZsAt22hn6K/UMLBVRUyVrTgeus a9+SgomH1aKodyOx9G1TXZAScj2cj2bwcsR4umFozT6PH4mu6wEpl23oaLlsklcd aWVAypCtKYbdeYRU5bGC9LIL6aLmqAMefOwPdtH0inHjO01xjkS3w1wvvBaOdyHj PevH2XoX185Vpn0Euu4v =m6Of -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1862161.vE34YALCzU--