From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OTWTR-0008Dv-2X for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:47:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59DB7E086F; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7BEE07D2 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyi11 with SMTP id 11so1472365wyi.40 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:46:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=txeIWdOUoBRCQm/9h4BpXuZUATwoBw3BD2jgZM4Cqj8=; b=la3KCEbf6/wcX7knGl9H8OteA9fcim09LFwz6Knqvr8e7oAVqcSuCOmX9EPGxxJi8d gMlyIvtxDheVceYH1L3mAVlD9aTWzBbwMO+L14TTscgebkCOCor7zH3tn//p5lw7GtgA stvU+6jMDTc5/0HQ0ifptG+AqWftH9/X5rrL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=ZozTTitZH3/FMNJb0aH/7y+pKltTlgtTZaDIoFfQbVydAvzO/g3VhUYIpALLMluiaS zsdoBclrY0iNKbrxJROnJfa6FpOx//BBUDtwHLRuqZ33MkwlAeXtQe2SMn2q9ELFLoNp JwZKKbbtwO6bAsM0Xy/KW4XzPExCPhLZzkjYY= Received: by 10.216.90.2 with SMTP id d2mr4771558wef.24.1277801211750; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linuxized.com ([109.74.194.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o3sm2923045wee.14.2010.06.29.01.46.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 29 Jun 2010 01:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Alex Alexander Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:46:52 +0300 From: Alex Alexander To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults Message-ID: <20100629084652.GA13136@linuxized.com> References: <20100628134307.GA13670@dodo.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> <1277733561.20369.1@NeddySeagoon> <20100628150519.1d962bb8@snowcone> <20100629053024.7e6f8817@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <20100629082340.63717494@snowcone> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100629082340.63717494@snowcone> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 3385e01b-0b0b-43b0-8845-ff3c29b15b04 X-Archives-Hash: 6a15896484e41ab32e69598aad41b72f --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 08:23:40AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:30:24 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:05:19 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > You appear to be assuming that those pushing the --as-needed > > > solution have it finished. This is far from the case. There's still > > > a lot of work that would need to be done, and that work will have > > > to be carried on by every developer indefinitely as new versions of > > > packages come out. It's a case of "the wrong thing requires quite a > > > lot more work before it's ready, and once it's ready everyone will > > > have to carry on working on it forever". > >=20 > > Why do you care? Everybody intimately involved in Exherbo and > > caring about it tells me you forked. >=20 > I use Gentoo, as you well know from every other time the "anyone who > ever touches any other distribution is a traitor and should go away > and never do anything with Gentoo again" line has been tried. >=20 > I care because it's a huge waste of everyone's time that's all happened > because one developer refused to admit that he was in effect advocating > the use of a flag in the same category as -ffast-math, even when shown > how it would break correct code. This community has shown many times that it doesn't follow your logic. You've made your point, we listened, we rejected it. Please _try_ to understand that you *can't* force your opinion no matter how many times you repeat it. There are times when the majority will reach a decision you think is wrong. If the community feels their choice, albeit not perfect, will help the project, you have to respect that. That is, if you want to be part of the community :) > > If you didn't and are still leeching off our ebuild tree, then please > > file --as-needed bugs like everyone else, or shut up. >=20 > Exherbo doesn't and never has used Gentoo ebuilds. Again, as you know > fine well. >=20 > --=20 > Ciaran McCreesh Please try to restrain yourself from commenting on topics where the community has already reached a decision in the future. Even if you don't like it ;) --=20 Alex Alexander :: wired Gentoo Developer www.linuxized.com --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJMKbL8AAoJEDZF8K7rm0r6TGgP/jDBuu2xlHxAv6VbaZFVhMXa HSrT1gbmPK4ZjsW0ILoDX9s5jGpVKOtHAYquVkhR6mLFTMxlaUn1YEjMuknq+r2F DKOr8ugmJ8FXVXvw7fFrCWEBPZYitLW1droNS/VB5al4xKSLAtX92PRJB2CHWOcL AdMXEOzYz0LytRtaW6DuVRkKjJ4QohEPxrifrnPikx4aXbfmabRsMdyae4CXVw2N E4BBBVETfMqJQ2Bif+TAxIJDbDiSupEN2+kmiS9YWGpOVrKyBvCwNpxG6Mfkd6PR 8WBzbYIofipbF3V9Q67R+JwMy+ytOk30twANotIJ1RQg5RO+iHWoSad5Qi2xDR3D ilqpnX1Ehz8N6PtzFJ/XFckTFRwD8RFsVkIbpbN9G9/aJio21cMo8IoyZbjCigKj kUF2y79TDEclIdce0XPp3okcYo9LYaZFSwqBtiR1CZ4TyOaYfwBFSrMyw035jTIx eVTPCJBOB56JC9fk1EJnDWCBhnBWgE6BAX4NaHHH/aqP5oLhtZVftVOel7Kx9H+V yyOfb4An6l2q5psw7Q1giq5bvum5SWVq87jYJ9bxIC7ojz4GEmKcuAg4urdthUX4 YhGdUZ2Tra5E0z6X9jPzxlr+F3qxkUQA3eunP/T9FkM3eDOxoZPTcom7fby+Y3kg ib9MbR4FDZS+jni1jYnm =RpDN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--