From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OTEcc-0005Mc-FR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:43:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32FD3E0BEB; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.147]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BF3E0B3F for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so119604eyb.40 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:43:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1ZoDk+FavDo4tzvjX5bGdQQoLmlt1z51tjo4zTNbc1s=; b=G6PvcWjPo/Di8NpKbTPLRA1EvTUHAyU1CmY0yb0IfKlbqEfsKi1ks4UgtXZ9rW51xE j+SOCCjzHLKfu7URwtUFjh2DDpShYSVhUVR40ZCVO8tvF798bjVUl6lMr7Of5nQWYXYW WTozEB9HG175CD7YSL338kJO2Z7mCj2kQI2YI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=VHZg4ZFJ6ngmqSCrc0EKNoPMrX40hoja5+lKdnfVj+EcrOJ9kyVfIvxlwa5VQaODdJ Yf0PWZ+kHFkabWUopyUtV2ip05SUzUIiOvQmlKO73lw+CxIIyqeRg+kLIcpK7ZCIOeZk Cfjmns5BkjFa8H+TNjPuFdQs+Q7faduiWcKDM= Received: by 10.213.34.205 with SMTP id m13mr1521228ebd.23.1277732590798; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-68-44-160-225.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [68.44.160.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm5387012vcm.40.2010.06.28.06.43.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Thomas Anderson Received: by smtp.gmail.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1000 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) tanderson@gentoo.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:43:07 -0400 From: Thomas Anderson To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in profiles/default/linux/make.defaults Message-ID: <20100628134307.GA13670@dodo.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> References: <20100628083559.2c810fda@snowcone> <4C2852F6.30003@gentoo.org> <20100628085119.1631337d@snowcone> <4C285876.4020208@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 620d5660-aff6-4bcd-9ec9-088bab0f6a7d X-Archives-Hash: 34c51dfd2fa0f09215dbd65682242154 On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 01:40:46PM +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 06/28/2010 10:51 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >> Will Gentoo be doing the same for -Ofast and its flags then? After all, > >> most packages work with them, and you can't let the few packages that > >> require standard-compliant behaviour from a compiler hold Gentoo > >> hostage. > >> > > > > This is not about optimizing but preventing clear breakage, the benefits > > of asneeded are not under debate here (like already stated in the > > original message this thread started from) > > > > So please stop trying to derail the thread > > > > ++, all of this has been discussed to *death*. > > > -- > ~Nirbheek Chauhan > > Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team > Not taking technical sides in this thread simply because I have no time to argue it at length, BUT: Simply because a topic has been discussed to *death* does not mean the correct answer was obtained, only that a majority agree it is what they want. And while consensus may be enough to be considered 'right' in social situations(politics, etc.), the second the discussion becomes technical the opinion of the masses becomes irrelevant. All that then matters is getting the technical part objectively right, which IS possible, despite what some may say. Regards, Thomas -- --------- ~Thomas Anderson~ ---------