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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:16:32 +0100
From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Adding --as-needed to LDFLAGS in
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:08:22 +0300
Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> This is not about optimizing but preventing clear breakage, the
> benefits of asneeded are not under debate here (like already stated
> in the original message this thread started from)
--as-needed does not prevent breakage. It shoves some breakages under
the carpet so they're sometimes less visible, and sometimes easier to
fix when they happen. However, it does absolutely nothing to address
any of the root causes of the breakage, and it does introduce new
breakages itself.
Had one tenth of the effort that had been put into running around and
adding in hacks to work around a deliberately broken toolchain instead
been put into fixing libtool and delivering better slotting mechanisms,
none of this would be an issue.
Or is the policy "we've started running towards the cliff and we've
already debated the merits of jumping off it, so all you're allowed to
discuss now is how we remove the fence"?
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Ciaran McCreesh
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