From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OSwSV-000683-UH for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:20:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 36630E0D36; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:19:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B358E0D33 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg36 with SMTP id 36so864699wyg.40 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=qkm5YaaUeLp/D0gCMUKsdva2TyPC0aPp89wql4/dwZM=; b=eVrrh+xg9mXSTp7f3qz3qXDkjhPmy7JSPcjwgK+NWqqwiZumPZa+RClih5p1EnnskB SGRlscd502T+Vx3V6xuUYhGSGzf71Hsb8I7nay10fq/iVQxFGhx1TzXk9s7BgjLLt9Ay rzMY8z61/WAFK12A0m8iqjdxpONpvUNsgMAwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=SoFHRu8fgP7VuiMTXpea2a0c9Uv1+xmgWzxIxBksnOid/hlp6wQ98aIYm2TFHgqyrQ 4su411RMp6nLUUDupV+Q3cY3x4h26QCEfS/auhQaohSnQsNdIoGN4sL+7BCdwg9DkiLM XjSuSp3XBCbLhg1xE/u3IIhd/69MH3l87Lql8= Received: by 10.227.144.140 with SMTP id z12mr2926059wbu.164.1277662397743; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone ([92.16.76.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b17sm86643717wbd.1.2010.06.27.11.13.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:13:12 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations Message-ID: <20100627191312.7ba862ef@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20100627180113.GA12949@Blade> References: <20100627150445.GA19456@Eternity> <20100627173834.230f0f76@snowcone> <20100627172233.GB1414@Mystical> <20100627184330.4888ce8a@snowcone> <20100627180113.GA12949@Blade> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/JC7=UbWNtslHUyD.jvajWtX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b553f713-0c17-4039-aed2-e50fcc5ce2de X-Archives-Hash: 3d3e912256d2d0db190153d2c5d314c1 --Sig_/JC7=UbWNtslHUyD.jvajWtX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 19:01:13 +0100 Markos Chandras wrote: > Please explain me why keeping foobar-1.0 ( Released in 10/12/2009 ) is > in favor of a ppc64 stable user when amd64/x86 has foobar-2.1.3 ( > Released 60 days ago ) already stabled for them Because it's known to work. That's the point of stable. > What if a foobar-1.0 bug pops up? What kind of support will that user > get from the gentoo or upstream maintainer. The most frequent answer > would be "Please update to 2.1.3. 1.0 is 0ld". Yes, not droppping the > keywords is convenient for users but in this case their stable tree > gets obsolet and unsupported When that happens, *then* stabling foobar can become a priority, and the user in question can help with it. However, given the finite amount of development time available, you need to bear in mind that foobar is nowhere near as special as you'd like to think, that Debian is still running foobar 0.0.1, and that something that is known to work is, for many users, better than something that might work. Which, again, is the point: to what extent do you care about users? If you're prepared to tell users to expect annoying breakages that take a lot of work to fix as things get keyworded every now and again because it makes things marginally easier for developers, then go ahead and unkeyword a package plus lots of deps. If you think users are the distribution's primary asset, however, then it's worth inconveniencing yourselves slightly every now and again to save them a lot of pain. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/JC7=UbWNtslHUyD.jvajWtX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwnlLsACgkQ96zL6DUtXhEpUACgmm7Iy8BbI9BlXcg+3SCtuFvF JOwAnR6mTqHvG75yKfuHy9wwyODK9CXf =2WdK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/JC7=UbWNtslHUyD.jvajWtX--