From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OSvtY-0002XR-UQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:43:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31A7BE0AF0; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA55E0A98 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 17:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so2306052wwb.40 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=BrB4PGAXCv+fCGYwpVjumomMJNyBuiugpBQvfnFZUUE=; b=gRJGdStGVvrW80opr3E412x8ZcT3VIloNcvDI+BDW4+2AGvRkH59Um9QRzWnX/5zve eNEBgo29AQj2UBLUexbYLR+4L7YBVSWMFf4+STSCPCmM9Yd8apAN1yTQPLPspd1ZDWiL 9kA2ZUCzB5v0wPiOZP2zna8U/vjV8E/IgceDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=QEGhjul38T/hxSuMRdc2Sl8NiXOUx2q3ogJVKsX4nwZIfzBDSAZOfPZTNWQESQrZ8F bf1JlWuabefr1yoqsfTBZATrqAoKvBcK7QayxHXTCZTZF+rO4KI86rQDTSAN0p6Id5nA hPpx2CZhhOKLX/D7v6lGO5yfXi1fLmAVhrxlM= Received: by 10.227.152.212 with SMTP id h20mr2838290wbw.176.1277660620188; Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone ([92.16.76.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w27sm4618192weq.46.2010.06.27.10.43.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:43:30 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for late/slow stabilizations Message-ID: <20100627184330.4888ce8a@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20100627172233.GB1414@Mystical> References: <20100627150445.GA19456@Eternity> <20100627173834.230f0f76@snowcone> <20100627172233.GB1414@Mystical> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/cVkVXMr8FKVJU39m_FCdBcH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 5408f5d5-b96c-4bb7-b1f6-97af95464f1a X-Archives-Hash: 9b64bda8f3b896d23a2eb0573e17de49 --Sig_/cVkVXMr8FKVJU39m_FCdBcH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:22:33 +0300 Markos Chandras wrote: > > Which does Gentoo care about more: slightly increased convenience > > for most developers, or considerably increased inconvenience for > > users of minority archs? > >=20 > I don't follow you. Increased convenience just for the devs? How? Not having to keep old versions around for a few archs is slightly more convenient for most people. Having to deal with dropped keywords is a huge inconvenience for users on minority archs. > All I want is to have packages stabled ~60 days after the initial > commit on tree instead of ~5 months. If arches can't do that then I > don't want to mark that obsolete package stable at all. Whats the > point? The point is for users of minor archs to have something that works. > Also I would prefer to be able to drop ancient stable packages > from the tree even if that means that there wont be any other stable > version for this package to use. I 'd prefer a working tiny stable > tree than a huge ancient one The problem with that is that presumably some minority arch users are using the packages you'd be dropping. When that happens, dropped keywords are a considerable cost to them. Which is the decision to make: make things very difficult for minority arch users, who get screwed over royally every time keywords are dropped, or make things slightly more inconvenient for developers, who have to keep some things around for longer. It's all down to whether you think happy users are more important than happy developers. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/cVkVXMr8FKVJU39m_FCdBcH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwnjcgACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGVQQCgucSV9OK5NuLbyCD1ALhnyohW 7UMAoJLXgleLTVozylRqEYZvyhOJJQaN =CJ0o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/cVkVXMr8FKVJU39m_FCdBcH--