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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:16:48 +0100
From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:57:03 +0200
Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> This may apply to easy and/or 99%-technical problems with a dictator
> around.  That's not what we have here.  It's two black-and-white for
> my taste, too.

No, that's the nice thing about delivering a product based upon
technical merit: most of the time, there are right answers and there
are wrong answers, and careful investigation and good management can
lead to it being determined which is which.

> > All bringing more sensitive people in does is cripples the
> > distribution's ability to delivery any technical improvements,
>=20
> Looking at it the other way around: with more sensitive people around,
> collaboration would work better potentially leading to less loss of
> time and energy and therefore quicker arrival of improvements.

Collaboration works when good ideas get kept and bad ideas get dropped.
Collaboration fails when good ideas are rejected because people don't
like who came up with them or the tone in which they were presented, or
when bad ideas are kept around to avoid hurting the feelings of the
people who came up with those ideas.

> > Personally, I'd like to see Gentoo start having the kinds of people
> > who deliver a better product, not the kinds of people who worry
> > that using a gender-ambiguous cow as a logo might be offensive.
>=20
> I don't consider that comment respectful.

But do you consider it to be correct?

--=20
Ciaran McCreesh

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