From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQ3XI-000505-Ta for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:17:01 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A448E0B38; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A04E0B15 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb35 with SMTP id 35so1690531wyb.40 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=Y/mmaRxb6FF4x26WotBoAE2VIbSQWpxvvb9owRhM6Xg=; b=BeozAWHBAhRUyl+yEyeQyOcDHLEdIOWwQXyCu7/wI5U6HxrnwKNY2tz8+KCDYtGSHI DwrxHjoHlgJIyxOUoITyVjZ4RmoO4uHlxTNpUHFYnna9h0avlA/TRP8+8qGldDD3xjjW vG7vT13hK6g2dyjp7qxL7dEiQyzoq8xZXk9bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=VHGtQRju9A/vbVksZdGPQzo71dNlZR77vi530bk50xuGXKBFnXkZ3ehdm4wKwcMteA NAGWIY7cMRwartjEknPQjJ3c/3TZeGdvTMg9vTcqvp/+eWnW4OHQi3yOYVt0OWX/9dyR BFD75ljAMvNI40DWTlllMxV4fdgGJpGkcZrUA= Received: by 10.227.153.203 with SMTP id l11mr2663763wbw.11.1276975013323; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone ([92.16.0.6]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n31sm26328183wba.15.2010.06.19.12.16.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:16:48 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo Message-ID: <20100619201648.2b88fce7@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <4C1D12FF.9020001@gentoo.org> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C6725.4090109@gentoo.org> <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org> <20100619185906.72367d63@snowcone> <4C1D12FF.9020001@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/mWX+kE7mA4sMLJ8+8.L.JuG"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: b8014d21-43ac-4ab3-a130-86f23ba52a3f X-Archives-Hash: 616889bfa4d5e2ee0b6664c71950ccfb --Sig_/mWX+kE7mA4sMLJ8+8.L.JuG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 20:57:03 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > This may apply to easy and/or 99%-technical problems with a dictator > around. That's not what we have here. It's two black-and-white for > my taste, too. No, that's the nice thing about delivering a product based upon technical merit: most of the time, there are right answers and there are wrong answers, and careful investigation and good management can lead to it being determined which is which. > > All bringing more sensitive people in does is cripples the > > distribution's ability to delivery any technical improvements, >=20 > Looking at it the other way around: with more sensitive people around, > collaboration would work better potentially leading to less loss of > time and energy and therefore quicker arrival of improvements. Collaboration works when good ideas get kept and bad ideas get dropped. Collaboration fails when good ideas are rejected because people don't like who came up with them or the tone in which they were presented, or when bad ideas are kept around to avoid hurting the feelings of the people who came up with those ideas. > > Personally, I'd like to see Gentoo start having the kinds of people > > who deliver a better product, not the kinds of people who worry > > that using a gender-ambiguous cow as a logo might be offensive. >=20 > I don't consider that comment respectful. But do you consider it to be correct? --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/mWX+kE7mA4sMLJ8+8.L.JuG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwdF6IACgkQ96zL6DUtXhG9IACgraoWldZTsP14Qa+/Z+A/OSOw cOYAn0g/uNKT+FCv5GDnq70EddhwYUAq =AHtH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/mWX+kE7mA4sMLJ8+8.L.JuG--