From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPuWM-0003zu-B4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:39:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B56B2E091F; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f181.google.com (mail-px0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5C7E090A for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pxi18 with SMTP id 18so742236pxi.40 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vlNBIV03Eg8p3CVcC/UguQ3OfQdrc0NlrW2oexJToHk=; b=dxkidHVD8kxpgViw1lSZPtGDBD5kH7wfNRbkw1ayN4wk0Oet796lQtguA4pW6D1Q8f DQBt4CiVH+NIQp/5e15c6nArraUL1p35Ob60fh18SxBlkGfd8B3/QxhLkpPTpERSXY+H QjtdjYoP+3p47jBiFsyznvl9aCyEVGncWv8t4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=pBes8vxvk/ikS70Z8ahnWP9rAvOtSJeon3Ll9oRUk6dZBB0vgDQK5y14ntht58GT3+ V6unFSjyHjxbeD7QQM2XTA2k6SK369GE4pcUrIjSDMrKhbTwsTCL4961/t0w8T7CtnbZ 20fwBfVkaxqYlen8BRFgFlYSssFCs9ymjvP5o= Received: by 10.114.32.31 with SMTP id f31mr1770203waf.195.1276940359752; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-67-171-128-62.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.171.128.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d16sm37750509wam.12.2010.06.19.02.39.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:37:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 02:37:20 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Tone in Gentoo Message-ID: <20100619093720.GJ12490@hrair> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C3768.1070008@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7SrMUQONj8Rl9QNG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 7ba5e37c-b633-44ab-8bf4-7a3e5734064b X-Archives-Hash: 79dc04cda6a13da30f30c0ecbe285240 --7SrMUQONj8Rl9QNG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 09:00:26AM +0000, Duncan wrote: > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto posted on Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:20:08 +0000 as > excerpted: >=20 > > you're confusing talk and jokes between developers on a particular > > private room with tone between members of the global community in public > > mediums. >=20 > It's possible that's the case. However, it's also the case that with suc= h=20 > content, whatever consent there may have been between present parties=20 > previously, as soon as one person present asks that it stop and it does= =20 > not, it's sexual harassment. Evidently, one person present, regular or= =20 > not, asked that it stop, and it didn't, ergo... I ask y'all to stop this unproductive line of discussion. Via your logic, aparently regardless of the sanity of the request, it=20 must be followed. Bluntly, this logic, this conversation, and Sebastian sticking his=20 nose into people joking with eachother in in #-infra is blown=20 seriously out of proportion (for reference I was the one who stated=20 "sorry, but _you're_ the one not finding it funny"). The PC level=20 inplicit in this is farcical enough it belongs in a monty python=20 sketch. Hell, even the exherbo smackdown earlier on ciaran was out=20 of proportion (his points were valid and civil, even if you don't=20 agree with them). Simply put, you gauge your tone dependant on your surroundings. You=20 don't go into a funeral chanting Carlin's 7 words you can't say=20 on television, and you do not go into someone's home and tell them=20 what they can/cannot say. If you cannot understand this simple fact, then you're going to have=20 many, many ackward social interactions with the rest of humanity. =20 Why? Because you're going around telling other people how *you* want=20 them to act, instead of what is *communally* agreed to. Tolerance cut's both ways. The people making the noise on this thread=20 seem to be missing the bidirectional nature however. Finally, take the thread to -project... it's well past being even=20 remotely technical. ~harring --7SrMUQONj8Rl9QNG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwcj9AACgkQsiLx3HvNzgdT1QCffvdWso7bqynU4kg5lUrgs3Tx ZpkAoMrt0K0LkuaqC9Ge1k3zViTskoCa =k39F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7SrMUQONj8Rl9QNG--