From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OPIyY-0004Nx-3O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:34:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6327E0B1A; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.39]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B4BE09EC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:33:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from epia.jer-c2.orkz.net (atwork-106.r-212.178.112.atwork.nl [212.178.112.106]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr19.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o5HHXp6L020087 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:33:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jer@gentoo.org) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:33:51 +0200 From: Jeroen Roovers To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo Message-ID: <20100617193351.3410c304@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <4C1A1312.8050500@gentoo.org> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <20100616074319.5263d7b5@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <4C194CC4.3050000@gentoo.org> <20100617052411.67d0982e@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <4C1A1312.8050500@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Archives-Salt: 0a150f1b-0cfb-4477-93aa-ccf9fed0df8e X-Archives-Hash: 67132dfb544fc3a3c4502ae9da0bac9f On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:20:34 +0200 Sebastian Pipping wrote: > On 06/17/10 05:24, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > Well, apart from explaining technical stuff[1] as in the example > > above, we could obviously explain how our developers work, how much > > most of them get payed for doing that, inform users of our services > > what they can and cannot expect to get. > > It sounds a bit like if we explained ourselves we could continue as is > instead of improving processes on our side. Maybe it would improve > the whole situation a bit [... ] Faced with users with little bug analysis/bug reporting/problem solving skills who merely exclaim that something is wrong, there's obviously a need to explain some of the basics. I guess that's not what this thread was initially about. :) > [ ...] but it pushes away resposibility to > others and it wouldn't help developer to developer conflicts either. > Maybe we can still make use of that idea. I didn't intend to touch upon the subject of conflicts between developers and I am not going to. What you set out to discuss was the tone developers use that might scare away new users/developers.