From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OL6mP-0000AN-5N for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 03:44:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E6FEAE0A6B; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 03:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E61E0950 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 03:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E9C1B406B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 03:43:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mt5nAxf63NrO for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 03:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAF61B400B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 03:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OL6lh-0008CV-PA for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:43:25 +0200 Received: from static24-89-105-210.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca ([24.89.105.210]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:43:25 +0200 Received: from dirtyepic by static24-89-105-210.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:43:25 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org connect(): No such file or directory From: Ryan Hill Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: changing the developer profile: FEATURES="test" -> FEATURES="test-fail-continue" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:46:34 -0600 Message-ID: <20100605214634.26fa6b78@gentoo.org> References: <4C0917B1.8080307@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/TkPA9n3/NdcgRav9xi7e=4A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: static24-89-105-210.yk.rev.accesscomm.ca X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.9; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Archives-Salt: 0e6fc608-94a4-4d4b-9f9b-6fec72fb763e X-Archives-Hash: 62dc4a23a68e2c87d7933dfa7725d416 --Sig_/TkPA9n3/NdcgRav9xi7e=4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:11:45 +0200 "Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr." wrote: > What do you think about doing the following change in > /usr/portage/profiles/targets/developer/make.defaults: >=20 > replace "test" with "test-fail-continue" to make it just less > frustrating (we still have a lot of test failures) >=20 > Hopefully that will also make more of us use the developer profile, and > detect test failures. >=20 > What do you think? I would say it's an improvement only because it might prevent one or two people from completely disabling it first chance they get. :) IMO, test failures should be given the same status as build failures. Packages shouldn't be commited until they're fixed or bypassed. Following that reasoning, FEATURES=3D"test" is the correct setting for the dev profil= e. It _should_ be annoying when you hit it, that's the point. Fix it! What's the point of even having a test suite if it always fails? You'd be better = off to RESTRICT it and save yourself some bug reports from me and all the other users you're foisting build errors on. But in the real world it seems it's just never going to happen. I've been arguing this for years but people simply don't care. It doesn't help that = we don't have any finer control than "on" or "off". I'd like to be able to say things like "these tests should only be run by developers" or "some failures are normal" or "hope you have 10 hours to run this" or "don't run these as root" or "don't run tests on arm" etc etc. I'd like a pony while I'm at it. Sorry about the rant. This is one of my biggest long-standing annoyances. Um, so yeah. For it! --=20 fonts, there's a hole in my neighbourhood gcc-porting, down which of late i cannot help but fall wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 --Sig_/TkPA9n3/NdcgRav9xi7e=4A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkwLGh4ACgkQiqiDRvmkBmJMoQCfYTqhMUnuUh9GC3QSFdUrS2yo XYcAoMEYfK4779Zj7AzgSXSjxrkVFos5 =LuIv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/TkPA9n3/NdcgRav9xi7e=4A--