From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyWjL-0000Kb-JK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:47:47 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FBBDE08BD; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f227.google.com (mail-ew0-f227.google.com [209.85.219.227]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3ECE08A4 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 20:47:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so933802ewy.10 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:47:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=1HsjiEkzb5unqbTBrQB/fKrtXSODu9T7WfwGeU5NR0w=; b=N3RSdeYO2Q5fpw0YJxzZkTA8XWNy6OQfvTUyZ0n3arjnmtSISjgmJe5hRNIXwqfXH+ 5jUqq1bkLLrROhddRLNyMJVHOHbdnxUewXYEj5ho31anqM3yoB6tqpktabjbjbhrtwjT ODR35E7bFEfjKtJtZ4CVxD4bRLJjy6yhuV9aA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=i1TetdPExrolK92Z82zkATX1fyxkdJbaOe/UYU8fjvo3pDo33tVTEP65JsaR+yPKQp ED84Tk5FH6IlT13AxweAG8MmJuuhsGZDGtpVfe/A83Q7jPsU/Nf5ZFrk7fZv5QJWf62t j9ae+YXgnVBU7TvihF86oalI89VABB0w32mZo= Received: by 10.213.44.75 with SMTP id z11mr1052696ebe.70.1270414037921; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Caemlyn.Fullrate (0110ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk [90.185.49.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm6005449ewy.7.2010.04.04.13.47.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Apr 2010 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:45:24 +0200 From: Zeerak Mustafa Waseem To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki Message-ID: <20100404224523.GB2156@Caemlyn.Fullrate> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20100403163010.1897d663@mail.a3li.li> <4BB7D11F.7060207@gentoo.org> <20100404003152.4b2012da@angelstorm> <4BB8A349.4070006@allenjb.me.uk> <4BB8AC8F.4010708@allenjb.me.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5I6of5zJg18YgZEa" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BB8AC8F.4010708@allenjb.me.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: aa421bb2-1e94-4bbd-b4aa-0de78cc81df4 X-Archives-Hash: 64f89c6d7fffa209a65091e72592b244 --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote: > The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an > official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its > own right. >=20 > Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and > attempting to destroy existing user communities is NOT the right way to > go about things, in my opinion (and losing the editing history of those > articles in the process). >=20 > You should first try to start your wiki/community and make it a > community in its own right, rather than trying to steal/destroy/rip off > existing communities. >=20 > My personal goal is to continue to maintain an existing community full > of useful documentation, already concentrated in one place. The > unofficial wiki avoids duplication by pointing to existing documentation > where ever possible. >=20 > The search problem is already dealt with by Google, so that's no reason > to go about ripping off other peoples work. >=20 > With your aims in mind, I don't see the point in duplicating existing > material, creating TWO places you have to check to see what's been update= d. >=20 > If an "official wiki" starts up and becomes a major documentation centre > for user contributions, then I may consider moving my articles over, but > until that time I currently intend to maintain them in place, with their > complete history in tact. >=20 > AllenJB >=20 You're absolutely right, it is a seperate community, and reading your repli= es I can't help but think "Is the url really that important?". After all re= gardless of where the articles that you've written, you still would be the = writer. You could still take part in the various discussions that may arise= on the articles. The way I see it is that when the official wiki comes up, it will only be a= question of time before the pages covered in the unofficial wiki are cover= ed in the official one, particularly if it'll be mainly user-driven and peo= ple stop thinking about using the unofficial wiki, as there is a wiki and t= he answer isn't there. So when they find the answer, they add it. Personally I'd prefer to be part of the change rather than resisting it. I can understand reluctance to join a project you aren't certain will succe= ed, though. As another note, the license of gentoo-wiki doesn't stop anyone from copyin= g but is incompatible with the license on the docs (was mentioned in a thre= ad recently) so what is in gentoo-wiki won't be copied, but at best/worst r= ewritten.=20 As an endnote, none of the above is meant as provocative or offensive, so i= n case it does offend; you have my apologies (it seems like a touchy subjec= t for you so I thought I'd make it clear :-) ) --=20 Zeerak Waseem --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLuRaDAAoJEBS1NNgpgWuWIKIIAKVRDr/OPqYv+S84mICkWG0T 0cE4wE2zavBoqkBiIncnJ5f6VOeR5ocClCvPJAy0m2TVnQtWRS2rQ+tcPVcABSUC k+LJzKYH2N/O9wu/7r0cRjOVuDmu/MIvXLLxzCJI0urqMPbFq1sH4Tn4YVYor2GN cG57+3HJvuqfJzbanuHhV0f44wVTvi0jo1LyNXaV4GKBUGEhO8P5dT+p+qui/Duy oNhtDpRhliw8z0ZOtV2ehFdEOvDD7jNLpxurmnOgEbnqfbs07oz9iU3GPM4N4N2l WDZ/kRkOE+9xXfqEbtBDWMX4n89kzlkbnv3DM7kNgKja/fUxCNIcQYz1gDVT74w= =21MS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5I6of5zJg18YgZEa--