From: Zeerak Mustafa Waseem <zeerak.w@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 00:45:24 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100404224523.GB2156@Caemlyn.Fullrate> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4BB8AC8F.4010708@allenjb.me.uk>
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On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
> The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
> official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
> own right.
>
> Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and
> attempting to destroy existing user communities is NOT the right way to
> go about things, in my opinion (and losing the editing history of those
> articles in the process).
>
> You should first try to start your wiki/community and make it a
> community in its own right, rather than trying to steal/destroy/rip off
> existing communities.
>
> My personal goal is to continue to maintain an existing community full
> of useful documentation, already concentrated in one place. The
> unofficial wiki avoids duplication by pointing to existing documentation
> where ever possible.
>
> The search problem is already dealt with by Google, so that's no reason
> to go about ripping off other peoples work.
>
> With your aims in mind, I don't see the point in duplicating existing
> material, creating TWO places you have to check to see what's been updated.
>
> If an "official wiki" starts up and becomes a major documentation centre
> for user contributions, then I may consider moving my articles over, but
> until that time I currently intend to maintain them in place, with their
> complete history in tact.
>
> AllenJB
>
You're absolutely right, it is a seperate community, and reading your replies I can't help but think "Is the url really that important?". After all regardless of where the articles that you've written, you still would be the writer. You could still take part in the various discussions that may arise on the articles.
The way I see it is that when the official wiki comes up, it will only be a question of time before the pages covered in the unofficial wiki are covered in the official one, particularly if it'll be mainly user-driven and people stop thinking about using the unofficial wiki, as there is a wiki and the answer isn't there. So when they find the answer, they add it.
Personally I'd prefer to be part of the change rather than resisting it.
I can understand reluctance to join a project you aren't certain will succeed, though.
As another note, the license of gentoo-wiki doesn't stop anyone from copying but is incompatible with the license on the docs (was mentioned in a thread recently) so what is in gentoo-wiki won't be copied, but at best/worst rewritten.
As an endnote, none of the above is meant as provocative or offensive, so in case it does offend; you have my apologies (it seems like a touchy subject for you so I thought I'd make it clear :-) )
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Zeerak Waseem
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Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-03 13:19 [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 13:40 ` Dror Levin
2010-04-03 14:12 ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-04-03 14:36 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 23:41 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-03 15:03 ` Nathan Zachary
2010-04-03 17:40 ` AllenJB
2010-04-03 18:56 ` George Prowse
2010-04-03 19:04 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 23:19 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 4:10 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 11:55 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-10 12:06 ` Dror Levin
2010-04-10 15:25 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 15:40 ` George Prowse
2010-04-10 17:18 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-10 18:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-10 18:26 ` René 'Necoro' Neumann
2010-04-11 9:52 ` Duncan
2010-04-11 3:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Patrick Nagel
2010-04-10 18:04 ` Vincent Launchbury
2010-04-10 19:23 ` Dale
2010-04-11 4:35 ` William Hubbs
2010-04-14 2:03 ` George Prowse
2010-04-10 13:35 ` George Prowse
2010-04-11 1:08 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-04-03 14:04 ` Guy Fontaine
2010-04-03 14:12 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 15:25 ` Sylvain Alain
2010-04-03 14:30 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 14:46 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-03 23:37 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04 1:20 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 7:31 ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04 8:29 ` Arun Raghavan
2010-04-04 8:47 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04 12:26 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 8:48 ` Antoni Grzymala
2010-04-04 8:54 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-04 9:10 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 12:31 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 16:54 ` Antoni Grzymala
2010-04-04 9:01 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-04 10:35 ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 13:43 ` Sylvain Alain
2010-04-04 14:15 ` Dror Levin
2010-04-04 14:33 ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 14:47 ` Dror Levin
2010-04-04 15:13 ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 15:36 ` dev-random
2010-04-04 15:39 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 16:08 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 22:45 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem [this message]
2010-04-04 22:21 ` AllenJB
2010-04-04 23:11 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05 1:36 ` Zeerak Mustafa Waseem
2010-04-04 16:00 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 15:23 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-04 19:33 ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-04 19:46 ` George Prowse
2010-04-05 0:08 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05 1:13 ` Joshua Saddler
2010-04-05 2:43 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05 5:04 ` Arun Raghavan
2010-04-05 5:05 ` Arun Raghavan
2010-06-07 12:27 ` Ed W
2010-06-07 12:19 ` Ed W
2010-04-04 9:30 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 19:13 ` Alex Legler
2010-04-03 23:44 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-04-05 0:02 ` Alistair Bush
2010-04-05 0:25 ` Ben de Groot
2010-04-05 4:46 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-04-05 0:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matti Bickel
2010-04-05 2:01 ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-04-05 3:02 ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-03 20:44 ` René 'Necoro' Neumann
2010-06-03 22:49 ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-04 3:53 ` Tobias Scherbaum
2010-06-04 4:52 ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-04 5:51 ` [gentoo-dev] " Torsten Veller
2010-06-04 8:12 ` Markos Chandras
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2010-04-04 0:11 [gentoo-dev] " Sylvain Alain
2010-04-04 0:24 ` Sebastian Pipping
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