From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyURa-0002Ph-ID for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:21:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDEA9E09FD; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.149]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5E9E0974 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 26so161057eyw.40 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=NMef0d0p6hRC/87kc3awAyDOYc/OfkLp1jsUS+NzK2s=; b=hrKbVPcEwUjQZghAkOuwqKLzj4Hhv2zMjfYRuWQlxqP6rR0KzT2weeHLjNcBxEJQ+0 yiDdFi+BdIEzx/VIi9PyHRAm0WtSp0clOWBZFQMA7Jf+eBSjsEHO0S+EQFNRkJFsayqZ j5QIL9ANGYrz19V0ARCfIC6ER5e2pP9Heg+Ac= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=C8UAm1eJ/S3n9aQdQn/ht7tZWxzKxRa0yoOEEZ/oRFjeACOfQdu/cn1NwUL9qJ1s6k hAngEURAHz2fDIU1wL+sw47+kfbl6JIgbQSl36jMupPP4dkSGxP5oqOAo0zIUgs4nES9 LZhuCuIALr5yf+o/9zWP7LcIegJgqKXU6x0sA= Received: by 10.213.46.206 with SMTP id k14mr2473163ebf.2.1270405259937; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Caemlyn.Fullrate (0110ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk [90.185.49.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 13sm5910562ewy.5.2010.04.04.11.20.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 04 Apr 2010 11:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:19:06 +0200 From: Zeerak Mustafa Waseem To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo a Phoenix? Message-ID: <20100404201903.GA2156@Caemlyn.Fullrate> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <4BB70E5C.8040405@gentoo.org> <1270289959.18734.19.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> <4BB727A1.4000402@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BB727A1.4000402@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: abdee33b-6077-45bc-b36f-81cfdf151cd1 X-Archives-Hash: 0fb4bb37d233646e530ef7c8f10b2e7a --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable esOn Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 07:33:53AM -0400, Richard Freeman wrote: > On 04/03/2010 06:19 AM, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > > I really think that the Gentoo recruitment process needs improvement.=20 > Right now it seems like a LOT of effort is required both to become a=20 > Gentoo dev and to help somebody become a Gentoo dev. That means we have= =20 > great people, but not many of them. >=20 > I think the problem is that our recruitment process uses the ability to= =20 > answer complex technical and organizational questions as a way to assess= =20 > maturity. I think that maturity is far more important than technical=20 > skill in a distro - a mature person will recognize their own limitations= =20 > and exercise due diligence when stepping outside of them. Instead of=20 > playing 20 questions and going back and forth with recruits, maybe a=20 > better approach would be to cut down the questions dramatically (or more= =20 > clearly put their answers in the documentation), and then use other=20 > approaches like references and interviews. A new recruit might be given= =20 > the names of 5 devs that they will need to interview with for 30-60=20 > minutes by phone or IRC (preference on phone), and they will need to=20 > submit references, who will be contacted. When we hire people at work=20 > we don't play trivial pursuit with them, we use an interview to get a=20 > feel for what they're like and how they handle situations, and we screen= =20 > resumes and references to determine experience. I'm sure any of the=20 > professional linux distros would work in the same way, but perhaps=20 > somebody should ask around and see how it is done elsewhere. >=20 I'm not exactly sure how you'd want the references to work, I mean, as in p= rior jobs/projects worked on? I know that I'd like to help out with development, but as it stands I don't= think I have the necessary skills (various programming language etc), so t= hat is something I'm working on.=20 As a consequence I naturally don't have any references (and might not by th= e time I feel ready) but that wouldn't necessarily mean that I'm not qualif= ied to be working as a dev. Also one could imagine that a number of other p= eople without references, but the necessary qualifications might think "To = hell with this, I'll just put my effots somewhere else". Another thing, you write that phone is preferred but I know that I act rela= xed in text with new people and as myself. Whereas on the phone I hold back= a bit, and don't really act myself. So perhaps the preference should be th= e manner in which the one being interviewed is more comfortable with and wi= ll act more naturally. Anyway these are just my 2 cents. --=20 Zeerak Waseem --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLuPQ3AAoJEBS1NNgpgWuWoQ4H/ipxxPDYLlBnFVlcImwLuM+u BZJOjCukPIzadIA2dm09lCO14hGXxeK8xIyQnZ2ThgOblnQaOfynMDzKKoHp2Grf F05f/VmMwj8SEEc4I7AHJZSsO9jnAqcV4/n5Ne+Y/KalrzdUe+z2Fruxk1WMMIxA KMhiUMGNBWWypfczEUur1ZKYM1yfojUDWzazenQAntcEzcAiTwte/8KlyhkKZUG6 EQadfxL56U6kjMyzUOvnyN30Y4oALI5k0MBmQ9vXEIv2HO/NuGeixIDBOkM+zM4h 4vkEI8FC5nhbSMGJEwPeXsEkRVDOTnX9oBcMeMnYQmI43B9F8xHQ4lFZcqODOiw= =fXbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DocE+STaALJfprDB--