From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NyExG-0004Yb-Ex for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:48:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B85E6E096C; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41EBE092D for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from angelstorm (cpe-76-93-187-113.san.res.rr.com [76.93.187.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F33B1B4036 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:48:31 -0700 From: Joshua Saddler To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Is Gentoo dying? Message-ID: <20100403184831.2525766f@angelstorm> In-Reply-To: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> References: <1270286192.18734.3.camel@homer.ob.libexec.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/=vCzKAByvfB7alAMO46yrju"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 87ad0184-6c09-45fa-970c-ce014bbdf447 X-Archives-Hash: 70664bdd4534c4cc42fca0b4ba33cd99 --Sig_/=vCzKAByvfB7alAMO46yrju Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 11:16:32 +0200 Tobias Scherbaum wrote: =20 > - Our formerly outstanding documentation still is somewhat maintained, > but that's it. I haven't seen any new additions (both to our docs, but > also to our docs-team) for years. People are constantly asking for a > documentation wiki, but ...=20 Thanks for sh**ting on my efforts. There are lots of visible changes, and I= make a point of getting the word out when a new guide turns up in /doc/. I= blog about the new docs I add, and I spend awhile working with contributor= s to make sure we get good stuff out there and that it's constantly updated= -- the Openbox guide Nate Zachary wrote comes to mind. I'm also always wor= king with developers who are writing docs in their spare time, coaching 'em= through the process, assisting with GuideXML, taking patches, *and* creati= ng patches and updates for devs who are posting documents in /proj/ and in = their personal devspace. But I guess that doesn't mean anything to you. Oh yes, and I spend hours each week constantly updating docs based on the i= nflow of bugs, forum reports, and I constantly re-read each one and improve= stuff where I can on-the-fly. Not everything has a bug tracker, but the en= d result is still a visible difference in the stuff you see on the website. > - Website redesign - we had a contest some years ago, got a winner, > someone started to adapt the design and somewhat that project fall > asleep. We've added quite a bit, with the automated feeds and whatnot. And the side= bar stuff. And the revamping of our releases page, and lots of other areas.= I've added lots of stuff; I guess you just haven't noticed. > - Speaking of our website, PR ... guess there's nothing more to add.=20 Thanks for sh**ting on my efforts here, too. Take SCALE last month. I guess= all the work I did to organize SCALE and go out and make a difference with= our (potential) users by talking with them doesn't mean anything. All the = word-of-mouth I've done with folks before and after SCALE, even my coworker= s must not count for much. * * * I would have expected such this kind of negative, abrasive email from a use= r, but to see such a sensationalist letter coming from a developer is disap= pointing, to say the least. I expect better from you. Because whether you r= ealize it or not, your email can only come across as denigrating my efforts= , and everyone else who puts in hard work on (actually visible!) changes. Your email was inflammatory and offensive, but not in the way that motivate= s me to do more or do anything different. It came across as extremely demot= ivational. --Sig_/=vCzKAByvfB7alAMO46yrju Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAku37/IACgkQxPWMzpKk6kON8QCffRZ0t4BkqtOOF4RcNexZDCdm nl4AoJL7KvjxuILp5f0cZZyR0tOCfh/6 =bUm/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/=vCzKAByvfB7alAMO46yrju--