From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NvBgP-0003MY-Ml for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:42:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 56AC6E0953; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pw0-f53.google.com (mail-pw0-f53.google.com [209.85.160.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2BFE081A for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so6024523pwj.40 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:42:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=AkF2dGwWQ9/VyjRdhj0VvctBMr+1KFvaL7gS4IWzsTE=; b=xK0GzPzX68jwk2dju4+P9S4XDskrQAZ6rX0YrQXlf4nidQWiBBY0RosybDkRN5orsK f/kB1KRwmJJaVW6UgT16IV61ParCIMLwmiOK/lpxpqfZmIS8u/UnKHDIArni+Da3knVl nCArt+AwvhpmhwRrKmxgfFLPvSEeeoCHanX34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=dnEQCxbH/HRHcbr4IXeBs638Fk/n3grHkMOww/SJT3jcJigAaX4ZegQZvKTPuS8a0D bCfcy751eRnvkHpZMU5lLr5qk+YWAZkLXOtdR+PqoMNhBpJ0KEMv0JJ4pEFqfeZjENNm UlJ0MFOrHNh4OIhegLCk4BIwEjMbFAj0XL9HY= Received: by 10.141.14.6 with SMTP id r6mr1119853rvi.69.1269618148889; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com (c-67-171-128-62.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.171.128.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm830552pzk.9.2010.03.26.08.42.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:40:37 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:40:37 -0700 From: Brian Harring To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item Message-ID: <20100326154037.GB5254@hrair> References: <201003241814.45606.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100324103237.0b534fd0@angelstorm> <20100324180334.GA23065@linux1> <4BAA6EA0.6080801@gentoo.org> <20100324202529.GA23374@linux1> <20100324211255.GA23676@linux1> <20100324204750.1f34e073@angelstorm> <4BACAA07.90409@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wq9mPyueHGvFACwf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BACAA07.90409@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 9e06a105-c175-4699-91a7-a7b3871d3095 X-Archives-Hash: c27b74cda5610abc8fc2c2386e38ebb3 --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 05:35:19AM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: > On 03/24/2010 08:47 PM, Joshua Saddler wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500 > > William Hubbs wrote: > >=20 > >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > >>> We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our > >>> Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request. > >> =20 > >> On the other hand, I can see his point as well. The news item makes = it > >> very clear that python-3 cannot be the default python and that python= -2 > >> needs to be installed. > >=20 > > Again, if it *cannot* be the default python, then it *should not* be in= stalled by default, which is what will happen if it's marked stable and use= rs aren't told to p.mask it. Even then, it'll likely get installed first, a= s users will probably learn about p.masking it only *after* they install it. >=20 > Do we have a precedent on this, if for example, we look at the last > time that a new slot of java (like 1.5) came out that wasn't > supported by all packages and therefore couldn't be set as the > default system jvm? There really isn't a precedent since upgrades of this sort typically=20 either have extremely locked down deps, or just plain don't happen=20 till the vast majority of depndencies are updated. If in doubt, look=20 at the past python upgrades- they've been delayed till all of the=20 major consumers played nice w/ the targeted python version. ~harring --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkus1XUACgkQsiLx3HvNzgcqSACg4xsv1wgQdvo1N/pzPGEfNktO xbUAoMERTHHTUEkz/SE5rOY+4lCPmGqm =q3UW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf--