From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NuXtK-0004lS-KV for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:13:30 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3BE0E093D; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:13:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f182.google.com (mail-yw0-f182.google.com [209.85.211.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A2E08B5 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywh12 with SMTP id 12so3836289ywh.32 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:13:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=71gknMLtHGBLljrAU+gdTa/1PJG4jS5VY6aa1vZnpes=; b=lOKOJ6I3Ps67DgAvXOfsvPt8gfbyDj0G7ymSVQ/ujCi7RRLkKhYeNslNbDwm9hWQI/ eb25PHGfmnjBbSuMXjxZb7iHl2sLWRIo5j9MVx7/AdO179M55mFRrbK59E9dAsR5nemd +C8oFpiEGihwLSNaHDp6fGT+1UHwtcAGuxgho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; b=hZ60O/AUAZmAbcPDz0Gvle4HNcTCoPtNRrHKGCCay8waiXZnlDKcfE5WZEujXzvkDw /GkHMEKbQVc2tNvYKZw4ZQBvA+WtmJEggmQRjRMuEbMVCFavno8SkndhgsuehyBP1zqV ZlwVqkBnBdduRU5ZP6WJyd988Nt8D9bZTBGbQ= Received: by 10.101.109.20 with SMTP id l20mr11564626anm.37.1269465179462; Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linux1 (cpe-76-183-49-63.tx.res.rr.com [76.183.49.63]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm130520yxe.38.2010.03.24.14.12.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: William Hubbs Received: by linux1 (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:12:55 -0500 From: William Hubbs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item Message-ID: <20100324211255.GA23676@linux1> Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <201003041923.17749.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <201003241744.31105.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100324095735.1bba94a2@angelstorm> <201003241814.45606.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100324103237.0b534fd0@angelstorm> <20100324180334.GA23065@linux1> <4BAA6EA0.6080801@gentoo.org> <20100324202529.GA23374@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KsGdsel6WgEHnImy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: 9cabd528-ae7d-41d5-b8d7-391618159fbc X-Archives-Hash: 902482024f8afb764a7d17018b4ef4e9 --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:36:52PM +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > On 24 March 2010 21:25, William Hubbs wrote: > > If we make it clear in the news item that python-3 cannot be used as the > > default python, so if users do not want it they should mask it, we have > > done our job imho. =A0In other words, this is just a matter of informing > > users. >=20 > We agree that this is the minimum that should be done. But our > Python lead stubbornly refuses to honor this reasonable request. =20 On the other hand, I can see his point as well. The news item makes it very clear that python-3 cannot be the default python and that python-2 needs to be installed. It could be argued that he is just assuming that users are intelligent enough to figure out that they need to mask python-3 if they do not want it on their systems. Basically this is a case of "how much hand-holding do we want to do"? William --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuqgFcACgkQblQW9DDEZTgAKgCgoSg8sf44F5J1aK3RlziIpGgH MSMAn02BZZ51mRpYNOIbMkqdEyllLEYQ =1XCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KsGdsel6WgEHnImy--