From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq1TH-0000m4-Uj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:47:56 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7829E0C68; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f213.google.com (mail-fx0-f213.google.com [209.85.220.213]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2724EE0C53 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so1076485fxm.29 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:47:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=p8LhYxzf9TJqKSPWE9VfB4I+UzfnVGmG++17tRKG5ZA=; b=r9Mn47CVQD2TaOUc6VRBppR6MZ5HRLLHLPU4cofjYgfGOZe3avb05PBFga2ugiD5F0 CtOvprYXSjAhxwnYJWqNwMXlCmCaxFhO7d1C7iuIx8xzUke4caVFoNDFUXnz59qTuHjK ltehrWVRf0TDrEnsgGLQY4strNZbWeR0bAx+o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=su6Ne3eGQXeuV4HtyvOIlGWvJYVQCVeJckyk5NQMpwjzkjYPpDZ4QaZ9QJ5G+yZaca gjb8xy+ArwYjcV/+3kCMIKOOHAcXu00h9GFpx99QThU/xEU3pajCKGINjGMLYAREQR0O Cl/mP4mOuFcPsDGA58hswEBlpNPiPuFhIQggU= Received: by 10.223.15.65 with SMTP id j1mr901616faa.0.1268387255501; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from graffiti.localnet (athedsl-405079.home.otenet.gr [79.131.134.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 14sm773738fxm.13.2010.03.12.01.47.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:47:33 -0800 (PST) Sender: Theo Chatzimichos From: Theo Chatzimichos To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Split desktop profile patches & news item for review Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:48:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.1 (Linux/2.6.32-gentoo; KDE/4.4.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <201003041652.56521.tampakrap@gentoo.org> <1268383017.6834.14.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1268383017.6834.14.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2301144.rCWbdJkqkS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003121148.42011.tampakrap@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: c968aa1c-428f-466a-b57a-14294965fee3 X-Archives-Hash: a484450d7780c07111212d1bc93077a2 --nextPart2301144.rCWbdJkqkS Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 12 March 2010 10:36:57 Mart Raudsepp wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 23:20 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > > On 11 March 2010 21:20, Mart Raudsepp wrote: > > > On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 02:36 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote: > > >> Seeing as there were no further comments, I think we are good to go! > > >=20 > > > I suggest reading my comments... > >=20 > > Unless I missed something, you didn't make any comments on this > > thread. >=20 > The subthread got renamed to more fit its purpose. >=20 > > If you mean the thread you started that tangentially took off from this > > one, about eselect profile improvements: I support that proposal, > > but it will take some time to get implemented. Is anyone already > > working on that? > >=20 > > In the meantime I see no reason for that to halt or postpone the > > current desktop profile improvements as prepared by Theo. >=20 > I argued that it's a bad idea to add yet more profiles, when we could > avoid that (while even improving things additionally). >=20 > But I guess I'll have to bring some direct points why I think > implementing the alternative as I described ASAP is better than ever > doing this gnome/kde subprofile thing: >=20 > * The split desktop profile plan retroactively modifies 2008.0 and 10.0 > profiles. Not a good thing for obvious reasons. (Of course the > subprofiles could also be added together with a new release, as proposed > for the alternative idea) > * Adding yet more subprofiles, increasing repoman and pcheck time, > possibly confusing users (migration things; changing USE flags in a > perceived stable release profile leading to unexpected --newuse > triggering, etc) > * Making it harder to get both GNOME and KDE things out of a profile > (though the common things in desktop profile right now is quite > suboptimal for GNOME) > * Putting the problem of suboptimal subprofiles handling under the > carpet again, greatly reducing the motivation for people to work on the > alternative better proposal =46irst of all, I'll delay the commit since I need to write documentation=20 patches, and I won't be able, as I'll leave soon for a conference and will = be=20 back on Monday. Maybe I'll find time to prepare something there, but I can'= t=20 promise. Now, to reply to Mart: I found your proposal about mixing profiles awesome, and I am willing to wo= rk=20 on this. In fact, I'm going to raise the issue on KDE's meeting this Thursd= ay=20 at 20:00 UTC. Any freedesktop team members will be welcome there. But I'm n= ot=20 going to step up from the current workaround I worked on, as things are not= =20 that tragic. I will document and announce everything, and I will be watchin= g=20 forums and IRC for some days to provide support. The only real problem in m= y=20 opinion would be this, people get confused about useflags and unexpected -- newuse results. (btw I already announced it once in my blog, I will do it=20 again, and we'll also provide a news item, so I doubt this is even a real=20 problem as well). To sum up: 1) Not oblious to me? / Not bad from my point of view? 2) I doubt users will be conflicted, I'll benchmark repoman and hit back 3) agreed, but i don't see a problem there 4) I'll be the motivator for this :) =2D-=20 Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap) Gentoo KDE/Qt Teams blog.tampakrap.gr --nextPart2301144.rCWbdJkqkS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkuaDfkACgkQjDdoMVfcAHi/+ACfd828l3dPTKYH7rzTiOsnpyjx v5QAoI4n/XG9jJLZ6/9C+fOgMzl8a460 =LCPo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2301144.rCWbdJkqkS--