[gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see side 
bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been more of an 
"underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.

like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to add 
their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course !  meetings, 
events, scheduled package events, etc...

the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off list 
your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have access, you may 
easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Alex Alexander]

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:45:21AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see side 
> bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been more of an 
> "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
> 
> like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to add 
> their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course !  meetings, 
> events, scheduled package events, etc...
> 
> the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off list 
> your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have access, you may 
> easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> -mike

excellent idea! thanks for taking the time to do this :)

i've added my gentoo email to my personal google account so you should be
able to add me using that, could you try?

thanks,
-- 
Alex Alexander :: wired
Gentoo Developer
www.linuxized.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 10 March 2010 07:56:42 Alex Alexander wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:45:21AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see
> > side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been
> > more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
> > 
> > like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to
> > add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course ! 
> > meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> > 
> > the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> > list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> > access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> 
> excellent idea! thanks for taking the time to do this :)

sorry, i didnt mean to make it sound like this was my idea ... Diego put it 
together originally and it's slowly grown since

> i've added my gentoo email to my personal google account so you should be
> able to add me using that, could you try?

google didnt warn when i added, so presumably it worked
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Alex Alexander]

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 08:18:11AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 07:56:42 Alex Alexander wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:45:21AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see
> > > side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been
> > > more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
> > > 
> > > like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to
> > > add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course ! 
> > > meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> > > 
> > > the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> > > list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> > > access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> > 
> > excellent idea! thanks for taking the time to do this :)
> 
> sorry, i didnt mean to make it sound like this was my idea ... Diego put it 
> together originally and it's slowly grown since
>
> > i've added my gentoo email to my personal google account so you should be
> > able to add me using that, could you try?
> 
> google didnt warn when i added, so presumably it worked
> -mike

it did, thanks
-- 
Alex Alexander :: wired
Gentoo Developer
www.linuxized.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Dror Levin]

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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 14:45, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:

> the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see
> side
> bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been more of an
> "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
>
> like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to
> add
> their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course !
>  meetings,
> events, scheduled package events, etc...
>
> the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off list
> your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have access, you
> may
> easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> -mike
>

I added my gentoo mail to my google account, so it should now work. Please
add me :)

Thanks a lot,
Dror Levin

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Roy Bamford]

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On 2010.03.10 12:45, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar
> (see side 
> bar).  
[snip]
> 
> the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> list 
> your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have access,
> you may 
> easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> -mike
> 

Mike,

Please add roy.bamford@googlemail.com

-- 
Regards,

Roy Bamford
(Neddyseagoon) an member of
gentoo-ops
forum-mods
trustees


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Duncan]

Mike Frysinger posted on Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:45:21 -0500 as excerpted:

> the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see
> side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been
> more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
> 
> like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to
> add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course !
> meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> 
> the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.

So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least 
if they want calendar access?

What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with 
search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and 
whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account 
on principle?

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Richard Freeman]

On 03/10/2010 04:42 PM, Duncan wrote:
> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least
> if they want calendar access?
>
> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with
> search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and
> whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account
> on principle?
>

Honestly, Google calendar works well enough that I'm not sure that I 
like the idea of re-inventing the wheel.  Maybe if somebody designed 
some kind of open calendar access protocol that was comparable.

If you don't like Google tracking all that you do, create a gmail 
account and don't use it for ANYTHING but Google Calendar.  That will 
greatly limit the amount of database correlation they can do.

If somebody has a suggestion for a reasonable multi-user calendaring 
infrastructure that has reasonably close feature parity and isn't a bear 
to maintain I'm sure it would be considered.

Rich

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Duncan]

Richard Freeman posted on Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:04:54 -0500 as excerpted:

> On 03/10/2010 04:42 PM, Duncan wrote:
>> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at
>> least if they want calendar access?
>>
>> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them
>> with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does,
>> and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail
>> account on principle?
>>
> Honestly, Google calendar works well enough that I'm not sure that I
> like the idea of re-inventing the wheel.  Maybe if somebody designed
> some kind of open calendar access protocol that was comparable.

I guess that's two separate objections.  One is simply to the /assumption/ 
that /everyone/ (well, all Gentoo devs interested in calendar activities, 
at least) has or at least doesn't object to getting a gmail account.  I 
suppose that's corrected to some degree by the posting itself, but it's an 
assumption that really shouldn't be taken lightly, IMO.

The other is to google /requiring/ a gmail account in the first place, but 
of course, gentoo really doesn't have much to do with that, except to 
possibly refuse to use the tools so made available (gratis), which could 
be argued should be done, but is it worth it in practice?  I don't know.

The first one is what really hit me here tho.  Why the assumption?  If 
it'd have been made explicit that this was something some might have an 
issue with and they'd simply need to choose, it wouldn't have been so bad 
as the issue would have been recognized.  So it was the simple assumption 
I found most offensive, and as I said, my post corrected that to some 
degree, so...

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Gilles Dartiguelongue]

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Le mercredi 10 mars 2010 à 18:04 -0500, Richard Freeman a écrit :
> On 03/10/2010 04:42 PM, Duncan wrote:
> > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least
> > if they want calendar access?
> >
> > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with
> > search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and
> > whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account
> > on principle?
> >
> 
> Honestly, Google calendar works well enough that I'm not sure that I 
> like the idea of re-inventing the wheel.  Maybe if somebody designed 
> some kind of open calendar access protocol that was comparable.
> 
> If you don't like Google tracking all that you do, create a gmail 
> account and don't use it for ANYTHING but Google Calendar.  That will 
> greatly limit the amount of database correlation they can do.
> 
> If somebody has a suggestion for a reasonable multi-user calendaring 
> infrastructure that has reasonably close feature parity and isn't a bear 
> to maintain I'm sure it would be considered.

that's called caldav. There's at least one opensource server that is
working decently well with evolution although it's in php.

-- 
Gilles Dartiguelongue <eva@gentoo.org>
Gentoo

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mark Loeser]

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Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> said:
> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least 
> if they want calendar access?
> 
> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with 
> search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and 
> whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account 
> on principle?

Then they don't get to see the calendar....

Seriously though, who cares.  If it becomes a problem, we can deal with
it then.  Until that point, use what we have or implement something
that's better.

-- 
Mark Loeser
email         -   halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email         -   mark AT halcy0n DOT com
web           -   http://www.halcy0n.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 10 March 2010 16:42:43 Duncan wrote:
> Mike Frysinger posted on Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:45:21 -0500 as excerpted:
> > the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar (see
> > side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's been
> > more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its awareness.
> > 
> > like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it to
> > add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of course !
> > meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> > 
> > the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> > list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> > access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> 
> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least
> if they want calendar access?
> 
> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with
> search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and
> whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account
> on principle?

then you dont get write access.  anyone can read it anonymously.  if you want 
an entry added, go ask someone who does have write access.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least
> if they want calendar access?
>

Write access.

> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with
> search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and
> whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account
> on principle?
>

If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and
we'll discuss it then.


-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Gilles Dartiguelongue]

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Le jeudi 11 mars 2010 à 05:28 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least
> > if they want calendar access?
> >
> 
> Write access.
> 
> > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them with
> > search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does, and
> > whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail account
> > on principle?
> >
> 
> If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and
> we'll discuss it then.

I have a problem with using google resources out of lazyness (nothing
from what I read indicates the opposite) to setup and/or ask infra what
can be done to solve this need.

-- 
Gilles Dartiguelongue <eva@gentoo.org>
Gentoo

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 10 March 2010 19:02:19 Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> Le jeudi 11 mars 2010 à 05:28 +0530, Nirbheek Chauhan a écrit :
> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> > > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at
> > > least if they want calendar access?
> > 
> > Write access.
> > 
> > > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them
> > > with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google does,
> > > and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a gmail
> > > account on principle?
> > 
> > If some gentoo dev actually has this problem, they should speak up and
> > we'll discuss it then.
> 
> I have a problem with using google resources out of lazyness (nothing
> from what I read indicates the opposite) to setup and/or ask infra what
> can be done to solve this need.

infra is already tasked enough without having to tackle such a trivial 
resource need.  google calendar is working today and exports all of its stuff 
via a variety of formats for people to important into their own calendaring 
system.

there are plenty of devs who dont have a problem signing in to use google 
calendar which means it should be trivial for you to find someone to add an 
event if you so desire.  or to use a standard invite format and e-mail it to 
someone who simply adds it to the calendar via the gmail interface.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Robin H. Johnson]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:42:43PM +0000, Duncan wrote:
> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at least 
> if they want calendar access?
A Google account != Gmail account.

I use Google calendars extensively myself, but it's NOT linked to a
Gmail account. So the above really should have said Google account.

That said, simply emailing vcard events to an organizer should work
fine.

-- 
Robin Hugh Johnson
Gentoo Linux: Developer, Trustee & Infrastructure Lead
E-Mail     : robbat2@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP   : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED  F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Jeroen Roovers]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 +0000 (UTC)
Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:

> So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at
> least if they want calendar access?
> 
> What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them
> with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google
> does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a
> gmail account on principle?

That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be "subscribing". Fair enough?


     jer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Thursday 11 March 2010 00:10:00 Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Duncan wrote:
> > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at
> > least if they want calendar access?
> > 
> > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them
> > with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google
> > does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a
> > gmail account on principle?
> 
> That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be "subscribing". Fair enough?

you dont need an account to "subscribe" (read/track updates).  anyone can do 
that anonymously.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Alec Warner]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 11 March 2010 00:10:00 Jeroen Roovers wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Duncan wrote:
>> > So a gmail account is now considered mandatory for Gentoo devs, at
>> > least if they want calendar access?
>> >
>> > What about those who might think that Google knows enough about them
>> > with search and the web crawling and database correlation Google
>> > does, and whatever ad serving might leak thru, and object to having a
>> > gmail account on principle?
>>
>> That's OK. I'm a Gentoo dev and I won't be "subscribing". Fair enough?
>
> you dont need an account to "subscribe" (read/track updates).  anyone can do
> that anonymously.
> -mike
>

I think Duncan's point is that in the Social Contract it talks about
how Gentoo should only rely on open source software.  The question is
does this apply to our 'product' or does it apply to everything.
Certainly users can continue to use Gentoo without using this calendar
at all; however if it becomes some kind of integral part of Gentoo
(which I doubt it will) we will have to look at switching to something
else (which is easy given the many export formats of Google Calendar
:))

I am all about trying out new things and working out the details after
the fact;so +1 to the calendar as well.

-A

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Richard Freeman]

On 03/11/2010 03:53 PM, Alec Warner wrote:
 > however if it becomes some kind of integral part of Gentoo
> (which I doubt it will) we will have to look at switching to something
> else (which is easy given the many export formats of Google Calendar
> :))

I think you hit the nail on the head.  Right now it isn't really getting 
used at all, and as you pointed out we can always transition it later.

Before we build out an uber-calendaring-application maybe we should just 
let the current calendar get some use, and then we can see how it goes. 
  Plus, our experiences with Google Calendar may come in handy when 
defining requirements for a pure-FOSS solution.

Of course, if somebody wants to setup something that is FOSS anyway, 
nobody is going to stop them.

Rich

[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Duncan]

Alec Warner posted on Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:53:14 -0800 as excerpted:

>> you dont need an account to "subscribe" (read/track updates).  anyone
>> can do that anonymously.
>> -mike

Thanks.  That wasn't clear from the original.  Good to make it explicit 
(as you have now several times). =:^)

> I think Duncan's point is that in the Social Contract it talks about how
> Gentoo should only rely on open source software.

Well, that, and the simple assumption that every dev had no objection to a 
gmail account.  If the point had been made then (as made now) that read-
only is available without, and that those without (thereby recognizing the 
possibility) could ask another dev...  But that was taken care of with my 
original post and other followups, so it's pretty much resolved.

> The question is does
> this apply to our 'product' or does it apply to everything. Certainly
> users can continue to use Gentoo without using this calendar at all;
> however if it becomes some kind of integral part of Gentoo (which I
> doubt it will) we will have to look at switching to something else
> (which is easy given the many export formats of Google Calendar :))
> 
> I am all about trying out new things and working out the details after
> the fact;so +1 to the calendar as well.

A reasonable enough way to proceed, yes. =:^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Thilo Bangert]

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Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> said:
> the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar
> (see side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's
> been more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its
> awareness.
> 
> like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it
> to add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of
> course !  meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> 
> the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.

has somebody found a way to access the gentoo calendar at google via  
anonymous caldav or a plain ics read only url? i'd like to add the gentoo 
calendar to my favorite calendaring software.

or are google non-customers limited to the web view?

thanks
Thilo


> -mike


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Friday, August 20, 2010 18:01:32 Thilo Bangert wrote:
> Mike Frysinger said:
> > the front page of http://gentoo.org/ now links to a Google Calendar
> > (see side bar).  this has been around for a while, but it seems it's
> > been more of an "underground" thing, so it's time to raise its
> > awareness.
> > 
> > like other aspects of Gentoo, all Gentoo developers have access to it
> > to add their own events.  anything Gentoo related may be added of
> > course !  meetings, events, scheduled package events, etc...
> > 
> > the access step requires a bit of help though -- simply e-mail me off
> > list your gmail account and we can get you set up.  once you have
> > access, you may easily pass it on to other Gentoo peeps.
> 
> has somebody found a way to access the gentoo calendar at google via
> anonymous caldav or a plain ics read only url? i'd like to add the gentoo
> calendar to my favorite calendaring software.

the link from the Gentoo page shows you the Google calendar ID:
88di0t0pl2cfau7oak48rbccfs%40group.calendar.google.com

so use that to get a xml/ical/whatever link:
https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/<ID>/public/basic
https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/<ID>/public/basic.ics
etc...
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo calendar for tracking Gentoo events

[Thilo Bangert]

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> > 
> > has somebody found a way to access the gentoo calendar at google via
> > anonymous caldav or a plain ics read only url? i'd like to add the
> > gentoo calendar to my favorite calendaring software.
> 
> the link from the Gentoo page shows you the Google calendar ID:
> 88di0t0pl2cfau7oak48rbccfs%40group.calendar.google.com
> 
> so use that to get a xml/ical/whatever link:
> https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/<ID>/public/basic
> https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/<ID>/public/basic.ics

Thanks a lot! works like a charm. Perhaps this can even be added to the 
frontpage - like so:

Calendar (ics)

where ics is a link to the ics file. just an idea though.

Again thanks.

Thilo
> etc...
> -mike


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