[gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Samuli Suominen]

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Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.

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Title: Up coming removal of deprecated 2008.0 and hardened profiles
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2010-04-03
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/2.6
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/minimal
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64/multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ia64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/no-nptl
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/x86/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/cobalt/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/mips/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/server

The 2008.0 profiles have been deprecated for 4 months.
Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
before 2010-01-04, at which point the profiles will be removed.
Users can switch to a new profile using eselect:

# eselect profile list
# eselect profile set <target>

If a machine is not migrated to a new valid profile before the deprecated 
profiles are removed, emerge will have very limited functionality until 
the migration is done.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Ben de Groot]

> Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
> before 2010-01-04, at which point the profiles will be removed.

I think you want another date here, unless you invented time travel :p

-- 
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Ben de Groot]

> Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
> before 2010-01-04, at which point the profiles will be removed.

I think you want another date here, unless you invented time travel :p

-- 
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux developer (qt, media, lxde, desktop-misc)
______________________________________________________

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Samuli Suominen]

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On 03/04/2010 06:10 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>> Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
>> before 2010-01-04, at which point the profiles will be removed.
> 
> I think you want another date here, unless you invented time travel :p
> 

nice one



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Title: Up coming removal of deprecated 2008.0 and hardened profiles
Author: Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2010-03-04
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/2.6
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86
Display-If-Profile: hardened/x86/minimal
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ppc64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64/multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/amd64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/ia64
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/no-nptl
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/x86/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/amd64/2008.0/desktop
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Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: hardened/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/alpha/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/s390/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sh/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/developer
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc32/2008.0/server
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/64bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/32bit-userland/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/powerpc/ppc64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/developer
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/m68k/2008.0/server
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/hppa/2008.0/server
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/arm/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/no-multilib
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/amd64/2008.0/developer
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Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/ia64/2008.0/server
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/developer
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/desktop
Display-If-Profile: default/linux/sparc/2008.0/server

The 2008.0 profiles have been deprecated for 4 months.
Users using these profiles are expected to migrate to a new profile
before 2010-04-01, at which point the profiles will be removed.
Users can switch to a new profile using eselect:

# eselect profile list
# eselect profile set <target>

If a machine is not migrated to a new valid profile before the deprecated 
profiles are removed, emerge will have very limited functionality until 
the migration is done.

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Theo Chatzimichos]

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On Thursday 04 March 2010 18:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.

don't you need a Display-If-Profile here or something similar?

btw it will be very handy if we could define a date until news items will be 
shown and then deleted from svn
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Teams
blog.tampakrap.gr

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Thursday 04 March 2010 11:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.

do profiles really need to be culled this often ?  we used to let the tail run 
longer and no one complained.  it's easier to upgrade an old system when the 
current profile is sane than having to create one from scratch because the new 
profile uses features not actively available.

i.e. let's set a limit of like 3 years on profiles
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Ed W]

On 05/03/2010 18:54, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 04 March 2010 11:08:52 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>    
>> Attached you can find the news item for up coming profile cleanup.
>>      
> do profiles really need to be culled this often ?  we used to let the tail run
> longer and no one complained.  it's easier to upgrade an old system when the
> current profile is sane than having to create one from scratch because the new
> profile uses features not actively available.
>
> i.e. let's set a limit of like 3 years on profiles
> -mike
>    

I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I 
sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then 
suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally 
this can be a right old pain in the derrier...

Surely 4 months is too short a warning for profiles which can easily be 
simply left to rot instead?

[gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Duncan]

Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:

> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
> suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
> this can be a right old pain in the derrier...

Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall 
from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?  At least 
that's a reasonably tested path, while trying to upgrade from a year out 
isn't going to be well tested at all.  Plus, with the weekly stage-3 
builds, you're pretty much up-to-date on at least the core packages, as 
soon as you've unpacked the stage-3.  Sure, you then have to rebuild with 
your personally selected C(XX)FLAGS/USEflags to get the customization that 
most of us run Gentoo for, but at least you're working with relatively 
recent and well-tested versions, not trying a virtually untraveled and 
untested upgrade path, so if there /are/ any problems, they're very likely 
to be happening to others as well, and there will be answers out there 
ready to be applied, something that's not necessarily the case with year-
out tree-only upgrades, as there may have been several upgrades in the 
mean time, with most folks tackling one at a time, and very few waiting a 
year and trying to handle all at once.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
> > I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> > sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
> > suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
> > this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
> 
> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?

tell that to my headless machines.  shout at their butts.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Samuli Suominen]

On 03/07/2010 12:31 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
>> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
>>> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
>>> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and then
>>> suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and occasionally
>>> this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
>>
>> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
>> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?
> 
> tell that to my headless machines.  shout at their butts.
> -mike

no real rush, we can postpone it, but 3 years sounds a bit too much imho
how about news item this year's November, and removal on next January?
approx

- Samuli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: News item for removal of 2008.0 and old hardened profiles

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Saturday 06 March 2010 17:47:04 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 03/07/2010 12:31 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Friday 05 March 2010 20:22:44 Duncan wrote:
> >> Ed W posted on Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:33:43 +0000 as excerpted:
> >>> I think I have mostly upgraded my machines, but I completely agree - I
> >>> sometimes let some old virtual machines sit unbooted for a year and
> >>> then suddenly want to use them and bring them up to date and
> >>> occasionally this can be a right old pain in the derrier...
> >> 
> >> Surely, if you've let it go for a year, it's about as easy to reinstall
> >> from a new stage-3 as it is to try to update from where you are?
> > 
> > tell that to my headless machines.  shout at their butts.
> 
> no real rush, we can postpone it, but 3 years sounds a bit too much imho
> how about news item this year's November, and removal on next January?
> approx

i dont think news items are necessary when profiles already have a built in 
deprecation and documentation/notification system.

removal in January means they've been in the tree for ... ?
-mike

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