From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NnVQC-0004Ax-QW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 11:10:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EBBCE0F2F; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2E4E0E18 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so4040968fxm.26 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:10:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:disposition-notification-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=YxKsZ8DcryIQojlyJide/vZ3IE7RB9mDsC5mo3MbbGA=; b=YJyNRxN8PwRa4SYugBbc16LojDsqJPeJDqtXJr/RwlIGHgEhygYPgzu2t5e+YcaCY8 c9h8gQtRsB4FKPRj7u7dTyXoI+wDvxWzz5mqoyfzbJyBqaAoS35uM7XOu9nxSNGiVywg gwMGIUke1CGpr5m0Sao2oTU28cajNUqpksDS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :disposition-notification-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=ljQD4uTCt31CZupg0zRT3SllI8PqZ/l2nCNE6EbO1jjpJpNTsOMyvzfR6sPFYmMKbC 0ONW0xTAB58R9daJfjcITmuKzh1a717n0XxhPbyRMTC4JcvemLbMJ39VGGKIcBM60b53 Y70Rrm4u7/Q09CqFydb8S/dIdi+1zbLJqWsq8= Received: by 10.87.56.34 with SMTP id i34mr1663535fgk.57.1267787402081; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from lebrodyl.localnet (azt170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.157.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm561062fge.25.2010.03.05.03.10.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Mar 2010 03:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maciej Mrozowski To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Python 3.1: Stabilization and news item Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:09:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.1 (Linux/2.6.31-gentoo-r6; KDE/4.4.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <201003041923.17749.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <20100305021444.768724e6@angelstorm> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201003051209.56096.reavertm@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 617c655c-a716-4eea-9899-66ebfba20c62 X-Archives-Hash: b7b6f5683ad06500a1749b442d4dccd1 On Friday 05 of March 2010 11:22:18 Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > I *am* a stable user, and I do want to install python3 (without having > to override keywords -- because my packager, the gentoo python team, > says it works!). I recognize the cruft problem, but I don't think > keeping things in unstable ^^^^^^^^ It's "testing" :) Now on more serious note, ideally python could be treated just like any other non-leaf package (in dependency tree), just like library. In such case it's completely reasonable to stabilize the newest version of such 'library', especially when it's slotted and doesn't conflict in any way with the rest. However, because of being used by package manager, python is leaf application really and it's going to be immediately pulled for everyone. It would be nice if portage didn't automatically pull newest available packages with new SLOTs unless explicitly referenced in dependencies. That would have certainly caused python 3 stabilization to be a non issue. (@Zac is this "greedy/non-greedy' behaviour you've talking some time ago?) Hmm, but that would also prevent automatic KDE 4.x -> 4.y updates.. -- regards MM