From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NmwGX-0007eb-Qm for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:38:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A446DE0B33; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93BD5E0B02 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:37:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A8D1B402B for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:37:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.99 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.391, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iiw6nNkVCk17 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:37:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4BB1B4001 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 21:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmwG1-0008VI-C8 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:37:30 +0100 Received: from s0106001e378466d7.mj.shawcable.net ([70.64.210.107]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:37:28 +0100 Received: from dirtyepic by s0106001e378466d7.mj.shawcable.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 22:37:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org From: Ryan Hill Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Deprecation of python_version(), python_mod_exists(), python_tkinter_exists(), distutils_python_version() and distutils_python_tkinter() in EAPI <=2 Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:39:19 -0600 Message-ID: <20100303153919.0f4744b4@gentoo.org> References: <201003021927.18379.Arfrever@gentoo.org> <4B8E0747.4050008@gentoo.org> <20100303015253.7930de6f@gentoo.org> <4B8E2229.3010408@gentoo.org> <8b4c83ad1003030123j171325a7o105b7887d40c0303@mail.gmail.com> <4B8E437D.2050504@gentoo.org> <20100303064011.08bd999d@gentoo.org> <4B8E867D.4060908@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/iDL4Gik4La2=PW5TyI0HSNc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: s0106001e378466d7.mj.shawcable.net X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.5 (GTK+ 2.18.7; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-Archives-Salt: a7ee51d6-603c-4fc5-90b4-4f7a46f0e122 X-Archives-Hash: 2bb7674b999d2819f5bf3b9ec98ccfea --Sig_/iDL4Gik4La2=PW5TyI0HSNc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:55:41 +0200 Petteri R=E4ty wrote: > On 03/03/2010 02:40 PM, Ryan Hill wrote: > > Is this actually documented anywhere? Or is this another of our > > "this-is-policy-because-everyone-knows-it's-policy" policies? I know t= here > > was a technical issue with removing pkg_*_rm functions way-back-when, b= ut if > > there's no technical reason why functions can't be deprecated, and we'r= e just > > clinging to policy in the name of policy, then I can't say I see the po= int. > >=20 >=20 > Big eclass changes should go through gentoo-dev so someone here will > point it out at least. Devmanual should document it so I challenge > anyone to submit a patch: >=20 > http://devmanual.gentoo.org/eclass-writing/index.html > git+ssh://git.gentoo.org/var/gitroot/devmanual.git >=20 > Also policies should be changed when they don't make sense any more as I > said in my first response but I am not sure if that's the case here. The problem is I don't think this is actually a policy. One of the first projects I did as a developer, while still under probation, was a complete rewrite, in-place, of an eclass. Many functions were removed or renamed (done in an overlay of course, with a migration path). It was fully reviewe= d, on list, by senior devs at the time. I was told by several people that if there were any exported pkg_post_rm or pkg_pre_rm functions, they couldn't = be touched because of portage limitations (those limitations were removed ~3 years ago now IIRC). So I wonder if this isn't just a years-long game of Telephone where one rule passed down by word of mouth got over-generalized and sufficiently twisted as to apply to everything. Nor do I think it's a particularly useful policy that keeps deprecated interfaces around forever. Careful removal with a long warning period shouldn't actually pose a problem. I think Arfrever's plan is reasonable. --=20 fonts, by design, by neglect gcc-porting, for a fact or just for effect wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 --Sig_/iDL4Gik4La2=PW5TyI0HSNc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuO1w4ACgkQiqiDRvmkBmIaaQCgua1nceWxU3ceh1IL/T4AhLiL xFMAni+gxYxRuf2kXAScrICFbBdTbWus =ZaiV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/iDL4Gik4La2=PW5TyI0HSNc--