From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7dtp-0005bW-0D for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:43:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA88DE0964; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98564E0964 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5136725D for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:43:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] QA is unimportant? Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 18:45:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.3 (Linux/2.6.31.4; KDE/4.3.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <200911091516.28737.vapier@gentoo.org> <200911092352.23709.patrick@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200911092352.23709.patrick@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3513056.3ngRU2PveX"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200911091845.47107.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: e74c1c5e-5323-41c6-ac58-051dd67ba725 X-Archives-Hash: 81d3c8e4c36ba61e062fd38132dfd69c --nextPart3513056.3ngRU2PveX Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 09 November 2009 17:52:23 Patrick Lauer wrote: > On Monday 09 November 2009 21:16:28 Mike Frysinger wrote: > > oh muffin ! get over it already. either do it right or stop doing it. >=20 > perl? you [thankfully] arent handling perl, so i dont see how that package is=20 relevant. > > > You should understand one thing: I don't care at all about most > > > packages. > > > > then let them die. >=20 > Not an option. I refuse to sabotage the best distro in the world. apparently you're incapable of realizing that you already are. > > > (Btw, I wonder how many bugs glibc-2.11 will bring. We'll just let > > > users discover them. I love that QA!) > > > > hmm, let's see, one package that was already broken under other C > > libraries broke under glibc-2.11. and it's already been fixed. of > > course, if you'd simply used bugzilla's search function, you wouldnt ha= ve > > to rhetorically wonder aloud. >=20 > So you actually built all packages against it? Awesome. I thought flameey= es > and the sabayon people were the only one doing that at the moment. >=20 > And talking about glibc ... >=20 > For 2.11 you didn't even test if all patches apply (bug #292139) this example is bs and you know it. i'm not going to test every USE flag=20 combo, especially ones that take specific profiles. ignoring that, this is= =20 for configurations that another team handles. i'm not maintaining the=20 hardening patches. > and maybe forgot to upload a patch (#292223) yes, i roll so many patch tarballs that i sometimes forget to post some. a= nd=20 it's not an obvious scenario to me since it emerges fine on my system. > Plus a few bugs (hello simple bugzilla search function!) that I can't > comment on yet as they might be user error. > So please, do not try to talk to me about QA when you can't even handle > simple things without error yourself. Especially on critical system > packages. this is sort of argument is also complete bs. other people causing bugs is= =20 absolutely no excuse to knowingly introduce bugs of your own. unlike yours= ,=20 mine werent done on purpose. > Let's just agree that things aren't perfect and when we discuss this topic > next time - maybe in a year - we want things to be better. no. you've been told by multiple developers, including the QA team, to sto= p=20 knowingly introduce crap into the tree. if you dont fix your development=20 processes, the next step is to punt you yet again from the pool. =2Dmike --nextPart3513056.3ngRU2PveX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJK+KmrAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBwvMP/REsskbFNxO8p8DsRCrt3vOk +/FruwaD6/o7FxoYYTrBedFxUb1o70++SJ1OQi/Y5r6kEjI2egJ3iPo2cKOEDSbs Po+4AQabCYIhIka6lFlIy9rzqkObOxAdVISvOkEcqmy1DPHp97zLdz6wrwXxnIKX j6KXxtUIV9nRhN4jjOKJe4jACE0pppDbk9l0QGnF1mezOfulY7ijjGYZkQV7WeNw Py+YdrEs8D11XD3GaMh2cqQmGEp122a/eg+o85kiB0KsfFzJgf14uPoflLHUky0q asKXt/bw/H74zLdPxwHILrv4fq4svzCwzF7mkUloxPAbfyZwhYUmKBIAf5zzq/W/ Znnzx3TNV6TV5LiIZNiZgeOcz8Idv83AR3ERdZDgn/nH6W1+3jjqynNaetCbsIj8 8oQ1N8ZYIyn2SSVO+S14xGZo1fQa/VXc7SUS2kbeynTd1VwvEGpOFjIZwkn0nn3k NYVvd0oz8TNbwKQo1vLh5II3KI7pIhqW8/usw05N58cYTRiM9pWoBZgOJllgwi31 MvWGWV4hvOg0ocvBldcvqSNziAsoKQ0eEzXAlqRmul6FzV7yccJ3DorZTUgCD/7t BBJJNS5lb/31KD9OtV3+YByi8oUtWZ7xcg+8nCcxpnb6sHRFlAvZVITiT8WEVwqn tGTBo/tUfmUOtGiDO5h5 =b+sh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3513056.3ngRU2PveX--