From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MxsdY-0003G0-FJ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:26:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE14BE06C2; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server2.mybetter.com (www.elementaldesign.net [208.110.83.190]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEC4E06C2 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ctf.subverted.org) by server2.mybetter.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxsdV-0006A1-Gk for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:26:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:26:40 -0600 From: schism@subverted.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree Message-ID: <20091014012640.GC28104@ctf.subverted.org> References: <200910091957.09193.zzam@gentoo.org> <200910132022.58491.vapier@gentoo.org> <4AD5393C.1060306@avtomatika.com> <200910132040.48456.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910132040.48456.vapier@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-Archives-Salt: 7e20c852-f0d2-449d-ad10-1125f24e5022 X-Archives-Hash: 5e1da60af0860dc264f1e36cc45e0caa On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:40:48PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > USE=oldnet is documented, end of story. you're complaining about a *bug*, not > lack of documentation. stop mixing the two as you're only muddling this > thread. I don't think you are going to find anyone here stating that the USE flag itself is not documented. The heart of the matter is that, not only do we testers find the sweeping API changes poorly documented (preventing properly testing them and starting this thread), but there are many regressions, several of which are non-starters. Seemingly simple things like configuring static routes, setting MTUs, and bringing up interfaces after configuring them have fallen by the wayside for no apparent reason, and with zero documentation. Even PPP interface support has been dropped with little explanation other than "get that old script from mrness and hope it works". As far as I can tell, the new openrc network API has (and has only been tested with) one extremely simple paradigm in mind: DHCP or statically configured hosts on a flat, autoconfigured ethernet VLAN with only one off-subnet route. That is a huge step backward.