From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MxroE-000467-R1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:33:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB5E6E086A; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aerie.halcy0n.com (aerie.halcy0n.com [65.98.89.194]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB04EE086A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aerie.halcy0n.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4E57EFE3 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 aerie.halcy0n.com 9B4E57EFE3 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at halcy0n.com Received: from aerie.halcy0n.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (halcy0n.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BIT0xFCnb0ln for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by aerie.halcy0n.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A44B77EFE4; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:35 -0400 (EDT) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 aerie.halcy0n.com A44B77EFE4 Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:33:35 -0400 From: Mark Loeser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree Message-ID: <20091014003335.GA20367@aerie.halcy0n.com> References: <200910091957.09193.zzam@gentoo.org> <4AD4E907.5060405@gentoo.org> <20091013163052.11d25cec@angelstorm> <200910132017.54281.vapier@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200910132017.54281.vapier@gentoo.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archives-Salt: fffb7c02-0439-45e0-8c47-2a4969122077 X-Archives-Hash: 2686296a069a9cf3f96b9b8cd650812a --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Frysinger said: > On Tuesday 13 October 2009 19:30:52 Joshua Saddler wrote: > > All that to say, Tommy (et al), is that the idea of expecting users to > > magically know everything and not to offer any documentation *in advan= ce* > > . . . is a silly idea. Good lord, can you imagine the shitstorm the X11 > > team would have gone through if they'd tried *that* without first writ= ing > > up xserver 1.5 and 1.6 migration guides?! >=20 > we arent talking migrations that are forced onto everyone. we're talking= =20 > about new code that users have to *opt in* for ("new net") that is only= =20 > available in unstable. expecting everything in testing to be documented = up=20 > front is unreasonable. no one is saying the stuff shouldnt be documented= ,=20 > just that complete user friendly coverage is not a requirement for unstab= le. =20 > your comments here dont really apply to bleeding edge -- they certainly a= pply=20 > to stable though. I'd say this isn't correct. Unstable isn't a pure testing playground. its meant for packages that should be considered for stable. As such, we should make sure that we get the documentation needed ready, so we can make sure that it is correct for people that are testing the upgrade path for us. It then gives us a chance to correct our documentation before it goes stable. All this comes down to is laziness in documenting changes, and forcing stuff upon our users. Neither of those things is good, and if everyone thinks that's the status quo...that really should change. --=20 Mark Loeser email - halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org email - mark AT halcy0n DOT com web - http://www.halcy0n.com --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkrVHF8ACgkQCRZPokWLroSTlwCeOXSUEZ4D7ioUp7d21VJ0k+PF 11QAn2o2DbX6WXmPqsyWs1MQJ0sJH+Zi =4ObA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB--