From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MxsuP-0005ZJ-93 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:09 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B769E0747; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732F6E0747 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F09EFB404A for ; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:44:06 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:44:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (Linux/2.6.31; KDE/4.3.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200910091957.09193.zzam@gentoo.org> <200910132040.48456.vapier@gentoo.org> <20091014012640.GC28104@ctf.subverted.org> In-Reply-To: <20091014012640.GC28104@ctf.subverted.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4477898.SMDbppxcUQ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910132144.06101.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 84c5fba4-501f-48df-aca8-e7f98b64ab9a X-Archives-Hash: 7832b21c73f7ad60dd39590c2567521f --nextPart4477898.SMDbppxcUQ Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 13 October 2009 21:26:40 schism@subverted.org wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:40:48PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > USE=3Doldnet is documented, end of story. you're complaining about a > > *bug*, not lack of documentation. stop mixing the two as you're only > > muddling this thread. >=20 > I don't think you are going to find anyone here stating that the USE > flag itself is not documented. The heart of the matter is that, not > only do we testers find the sweeping API changes poorly documented > (preventing properly testing them and starting this thread), but there > are many regressions, several of which are non-starters. > > Seemingly simple things like configuring static routes, setting MTUs, > and bringing up interfaces after configuring them have fallen by the > wayside for no apparent reason, and with zero documentation. Even PPP > interface support has been dropped with little explanation other than > "get that old script from mrness and hope it works". >=20 > As far as I can tell, the new openrc network API has (and has only been > tested with) one extremely simple paradigm in mind: DHCP or statically > configured hosts on a flat, autoconfigured ethernet VLAN with only one > off-subnet route. That is a huge step backward. everything *you're* talking about is USE=3D-oldnet. no one is debating tha= t the=20 new code is regression free or overflowing with documentation. that's why= =20 it's disabled by default (imagine that) and issues warnings during emerge. = =20 the mailing list is not the place to report regressions, but fortunately=20 people have reported such issues in bugzilla already. Branko is complaining about bugs in USE=3Doldnet about which there are no b= ugs=20 in bugzilla. vague complaints in a mailing list isnt going to get anything= =20 resolved, but it seems he doesnt care anymore. so we'll have to wait until= =20 someone else hits the issue and actually reports a bug for us to investigat= e. =2Dmike --nextPart4477898.SMDbppxcUQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJK1SzmAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBIocP/3Dgk+GsTFic0CbnuxXpOEs7 4srMYJZRvZCsCwJ366wyUIJLwG+Z9y3HmM5VLKmyu4cuHxr9GZmeIcJz++21PH5u LFGpjN2bwO6r8uRIof04SX3GDQYx+egxTN5e/ov84WmMNpxuc4FPVZjpEsNce2cv CPDyANI/h2uzbk711mz2HUutpbbk7meDvOoRnKoBbXCjDX3jlRrLWG9Wpauij2aV yX1hYmgX42rWhMKvr0PUXvx8eSORapQ48wlvNWly8x6/QWIv0+ZVcBomWdJrwcxU JUuXDvv8B8AZy32sc5JO7C+iBbZu5UkWr1IXRrqdh8U4Es98UGO5Lht64+XCsPV/ mjrzjLZbniSxFDSod28OQw2B72BQUd6sbKwkI++Sa2YUlMtpVhUhQxiNDgLJ4xs3 q/ltF2FoQWMI7orcbEQd2aRBmM+3Fj/gGzG7i8cqUD2lh393p+IYsmE3ZHfqkEKt ILLrCROuSS2Jqpz9wdsb61x01KxmRre2KorB8JYHo+HwFI+lvvTf6xmHs3y3SB/K om6H70ShWBz2IJ7zKs09mfs6L2TiBmqvZv+5XJJLCyAZbf/JwePa/i97CtaLzn6+ 7pGbg5m54bh98QtADcC/37kzqSv+aMceuEG093LDxmZcqwnZsyNOSDKVjKmDFUXU RWOF/ZDT87Bzs5KFjJxV =avBs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4477898.SMDbppxcUQ--