From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mxqb4-0000tW-Oj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:16:03 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40DCDE07A0; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:15:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18C5E07A0 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242AB4D76 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:15:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:15:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (Linux/2.6.31; KDE/4.3.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200910091957.09193.zzam@gentoo.org> <200910131815.52307.vapier@gentoo.org> <4AD51E4F.1090105@avtomatika.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD51E4F.1090105@avtomatika.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart125573398.Lo70poMumn"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910131915.37234.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 09db2c57-dd85-4c6c-8d62-8c84818bccb7 X-Archives-Hash: 5fcb3331bc88888fc1c3df00b7f46bf8 --nextPart125573398.Lo70poMumn Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 13 October 2009 20:41:51 Branko Badrljica wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > i really dont buy this argument, but ignoring that, poor admin policy is > > no excuse. blindly accepting all unstable versions of a package instead > > of pinning a specific version and then expecting a stable system isnt > > going to happen. Thomas is absolutely right here. >=20 > But just as an notice, I didn't expect STABLE but at least DOCUMENTED > system ? > Is that too much to ask ? you have already documentation for the default install (which can only be=20 deviated from by user's will) as pointed out by people. you cant reasonabl= e=20 expect 100% documentation coverage for everything. > Having some reasonable safety margin is base of sanity. Your PSU is > galvanicaly insulated, but law demands that housing of your PC be > connected to earth potential in case of insulation failing. Had that > been done by Gentoo community courts would be full of cases of > "unreasonable dead jerks who should be grateful"... when openrc gains the ability to blow up your computer, let us know so we c= an=20 add a news item to warn people. > > documentation doesnt write itself. this isnt directed specifically at > > you, but clamoring "gimme gimme gimme" is more likely to get people to > > tell you to toss off than get what you want. >=20 > And who should write documentation for new code ? Unreasonable users > that find it not working or perhaps authors ? > While I recognise the fact that Gentoo is not commercial distro, I want > also some recognition for value of my time as a passive tester. passive testers file bugs about things missing. they dont go onto mailing= =20 lists demanding changes. > I am happy to give what I can, but I expect at least some basic > foundations for that. Having documentation about public changes at least > for me falls well within that category. >=20 > At least for me, even otherwise useful changes can have NEGATIVE value, > if they gob heaps of my time totally unnecesarilly and total lack of > documentation is on top of the list of best ways to piss on masses. you've already been given plenty of documentation foundation. you just see= m=20 inclined to ignore it. so to reiterate, pissing & moaning on this mailing list is going to get you= =20 nowhere. i'm done responding to such e-mails in this thread. =2Dmike --nextPart125573398.Lo70poMumn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJK1QoZAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBR1AP/jW3Dx/ImtvHLAOIa+RVlh2i dLNMGRFmQfTVu1LNZMDKhq4NEX38zxSm6Mi+5sMHwvOYXfyIcGXwqPtUGK5Ce3yI LobCjKHf0E0olOFquDe0boeBD2y6RbTvE0fsKb377mTDPO1oLguhCH3UbSIbdeiM K/KkWkXf0ydkfZYk24F9g2oFdEpK+NmcpRUU/vWt2u+Kf0R6vsTWlY+A7SacrO6Z +1zan83QtvTpj7mMjMl6IQG+8uhKMARSGQFHqtKOQTdE/HJAybkqoQXiNGlvXlMO YSeAzJ9ja/04szb5gi1NiuyE2M1k27GKWA9MdG15inoJ6VHXXn2uTSaXV5gznmo2 94e3uV1MISb6DIm+3WbGALRxzn2ryUP8lqWjS/G9XjPdNQxSSvfGlaiRlOa+Y1I5 B0eqyZHMtxZqYUPWUkizOolUMbd7hgK9iuTXCthLiu/DXR7wj01SxzKbUvOuONJ1 y17qLMMMjU+wXzz9I8ZGAG5XVIcfwaBxISUm8SlHWNKdp7cJLZLHO6KFOCDKCpQO R/xJkejaowlEk3T+JodAIyVOZtqYrD4h/DT5Lw6Gra+aLIy/FfVZOcawcQAj9TEf mi68Px+DH7Pm/Y1A2jNBPAeVXJHMqEe1447tHBkhbzcmcr4tX7kh05X6whKlsMUG ibBhd8GLDScDP1KQXAAn =Y9X5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart125573398.Lo70poMumn--