From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Mxpev-0008Oy-Na for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:15:58 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BB6AE079E; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662BEE079E for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vapier.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA708B4D2E for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:15:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc-0.5.1 arrived in the tree Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:15:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.1 (Linux/2.6.31; KDE/4.3.1; x86_64; ; ) References: <200910091957.09193.zzam@gentoo.org> <4AD4E907.5060405@gentoo.org> <4AD50E47.1080106@avtomatika.com> In-Reply-To: <4AD50E47.1080106@avtomatika.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3784723.rlFnCoc6Ex"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200910131815.52307.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 658edbd1-39aa-4203-a9ef-dcd32e4002ea X-Archives-Hash: 419072ba1dc498ca149480cd68dddec8 --nextPart3784723.rlFnCoc6Ex Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 13 October 2009 19:33:27 Branko Badrljica wrote: > Thomas Sachau wrote: > > I disagree in this place. ~arch is called testing because it actually is > > about TESTING new versions and packages. You should expect problems and > > you should be able to recover from them and you should be able to use > > bugzilla. Else i suggest you move to a stable arch instead. > > > > Your arguments could make sense, if it would be about the stable tree, > > but forcing the testing tree to be a second stable tree, just with newer > > package versions isnt our goal nor does it help anyone. >=20 > 1. Much of the time on Gentoo using of ~ packages is not user explicit > choice but forced compromise. i really dont buy this argument, but ignoring that, poor admin policy is no= =20 excuse. blindly accepting all unstable versions of a package instead of=20 pinning a specific version and then expecting a stable system isnt going to= =20 happen. Thomas is absolutely right here. > 3. My main if not only argument was about at last documenting such change= s. documentation doesnt write itself. this isnt directed specifically at you,= =20 but clamoring "gimme gimme gimme" is more likely to get people to tell you = to=20 toss off than get what you want. the only reason the new openrc version=20 happened is that someone (Matthias) stepped up to do work because other peo= ple=20 didnt have time to do it. if he keeps getting dumped on, i cant imagine hi= m=20 volunteering for such a thing again. if the current docs need expanding, then they will. as for how soon, that= =20 depends on someone volunteering to do it. =2Dmike --nextPart3784723.rlFnCoc6Ex Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAABAgAGBQJK1PwYAAoJEEFjO5/oN/WBsW4P/i+IHetwfcOHcwozaHch0Vsn Vk1cBD4qIGGb6V2m4D5vzUJMdt0WgQG55N2UuAiIT1/Bo2fJV+CIH43xwuLHGcHL RRiJVeNy3L2l9Ak45IKhCysKRBUK8jkmySSUUuxlIwCFCP9duESfXRAA9DijDozu wNmfnyb7uGfS7kVL4YRXwgHtI3w1qBn56Zh3htWg4HZSPHhbtQpclElQOpFpv53U uA0AafjajmhbfTgITF1I8BybYtwLpFAggLXx8m/QtXtqHfY6QzwgKbhj28liMh8a Grfwct6QR3q1Mky+wMIQg7lmKAsXQXUq3vY6KValEz65A1ju8y4jA/q4tcZ4kA2i ScbqiQm73+MRT8lG6VbUNXhQEdIp33rlIlz4BA32qr0IWWu1CyUyzrU8OsVnocez Ifi6xtfpcg+gDuJcxs+cdiXEYJCnyMFaBkPZeoa8t96MbkHIouEnzZva9MQ1NAz3 87HDJx9z/cbIqS/xTElpE0kEgx1Ywa99sSEB7oMbQVZVA3ZpTS+O5Wirw92YnRub DiTwy7/CFx/i7isLM36d3sPM2QDOep1MZ+1YqJMTUqWkHUE3IxRLLEQ+1V/FyCM4 AsXfSPEQVT9ptuxQNmfyIQ8nvSm31fEzVnJOXv/4/oPLI2/pjYMOfeJoidd/ctMy VnVZLpoJEc9cyDFKOA/O =b2Vx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3784723.rlFnCoc6Ex--