From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Me903-0005O8-NI for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:52:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EAFAE01A8; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f218.google.com (mail-ew0-f218.google.com [209.85.219.218]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F68E01A8 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy18 with SMTP id 18so5866106ewy.14 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=exPBgp1QlWrsQBtE7plXUpeanglaFFl5eG0aAA/chq4=; b=wz7XgzklSxnj8ADonoHkVfTrfBwGnd7npkbZ8GUS+JVzVjW5nqfx0int4W0kF1rNrT fk0Ii4fqc34kOQO167qX4qiM8drEM+29NoF4zTlj92IWUyr44boeYQ0qz6neLEiDtkBt K+EacVcbIHiSlRrDc/Dp2gMPwTtXPxfJtnkLY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=pyw+XiDcST+3juHEbe0kC9BhjWrh0X+78Ht2ppQbZgOlu5t5I9c3Nl4B+82LQ3PbTG QHQnHtRUvC4T/847quYkZDmOC+0I0V+rtGumXqeil2q4bRNXYtvsOBdVvzhB9uy8+Nt1 oNAED6pbfeesjcuhZkGy7ZnRnlb/YVEOoxsNo= Received: by 10.210.66.18 with SMTP id o18mr2128000eba.59.1250779941260; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm2930140eyx.33.2009.08.20.07.52.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:52:13 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: RFC: Make 10.0 profiles EAPI-2 'compliant' Message-ID: <20090820155213.13474b14@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <4A8D21E7.2040604@trelane.net> References: <90b936c0908121058y5fd25cfcm67a19761b1130896@mail.gmail.com> <200908122041.34205.scarabeus@gentoo.org> <20090812194656.47300704@snowcone> <20090813135658.2d497f7b@snowcone> <44655500.sygxnxrhqW@news.friendly-coders.info> <20090813193451.31961a95@snowcone> <3865504.XFPclIEk6a@news.friendly-coders.info> <4A8A447F.5050708@gentoo.org> <12148931.hacUC6rHWN@news.friendly-coders.info> <4A8D21E7.2040604@trelane.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.2 (GTK+ 2.16.5; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/BR5iUlGTejASRXIPXAdQOiI"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: 3209e0f6-561c-46cf-bba2-38e8842ba72a X-Archives-Hash: d49d4edab98aaa31b53fb8a2795f3960 --Sig_/BR5iUlGTejASRXIPXAdQOiI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 06:13:59 -0400 Andrew D Kirch wrote: > I think it's clear at this point that Ciaran was the wrong person to > have in charge of the PMS or EAPI spec's despite his willingness to do > the work.. I tried to talk to him about having Paludis support an > extension of PMS which Portage already supported. His response was to > DEMAND that portage change his behavior and throw warnings about this > because it wasn't in the PMS (which I will note is an accurately > acronym'd document). >=20 > ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D273261 ...and then for the feature to be introduced properly, in a controlled manner, yes. > The users simply don't care about this stuff, and throwing warnings at > every user in the manner advocated is abuse. The warnings don't make it to the user. The warnings make sure developers catch the problem and fix it. > This sort of behavior simply needs to stop. Using bugs.gentoo.org to > attack Funtoo, which utilizes Portage, in the manner which has been > done usurps the Gentoo Council's authority, the Portage devs, Funtoo, > and most importantly our ability to innovate. Funtoo can do whatever it wants. There are plenty of ways for it to do that. One way might be for Funtoo to make its own EAPI including the extensions it needs, and get Portage to support that. Unfortunately, your incorrect belief that EAPIs had nothing to do with Portage when this came up prevented you from considering that solution. > And hell, if we're not going to innovate, lets all please pack up and > go home. I look forward to seeing Funtoo's creation of EAPI funtoo-2. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/BR5iUlGTejASRXIPXAdQOiI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqNYyEACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFx+QCgmmvnlPQi9BO2tmRcSHVfzbCv kpgAoN0K1zcTEckb0PGv1aaZnV8PUtT4 =0zQI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/BR5iUlGTejASRXIPXAdQOiI--