[gentoo-dev] New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[gentoo-dev] New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

Hello,

I'm sending you the following news item for review:

Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted:
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs

The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
serious issues affecting KDE users: masking of the kdeprefix USE flag
(for KDE 4 users) and upgrade to KDE 3.5.10 for users of monolithic
ebuilds. Please refer to the guide to solve those issues.

[0] http:///www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

[gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Christian Faulhammer]

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Hi,

Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>:
> The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
> serious issues affecting KDE users:

 Make it look something like

"1.) masking of the kdeprefix USE flag for KDE 4 users and
 2.) the upgrade due to stabilisation to KDE 3.5.10 for users of
 monolithic ebuilds.

Please refer to the guide [0] to solve those issues."

 By the way, there is some kexi fixing on the way?

V-Li

-- 
Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project
<URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode

<URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/>

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[gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Duncan]

Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> posted
200906292309.49695.tampakrap@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on  Mon, 29 Jun
2009 23:09:49 +0300:

> [0] http:///www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

It's a typo that presumably wouldn't have made it into the real news 
item, but just in case (too many slashes after the http:, konqueror gave 
me a no-such-host error):

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 10:22:19 Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>:
> > The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
> > serious issues affecting KDE users:
>
>  Make it look something like
>
> "1.) masking of the kdeprefix USE flag for KDE 4 users and
>  2.) the upgrade due to stabilisation to KDE 3.5.10 for users of
>  monolithic ebuilds.
>
> Please refer to the guide [0] to solve those issues."
>
>  By the way, there is some kexi fixing on the way?
>
> V-Li

Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted:
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs

Thank you duncan for the typo. I liked those corrections, and also i'll have 
to add koffice monolithic (thank you fauli).

The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
serious issues affecting KDE users:

1) masking of the kdeprefix USE flag for KDE 4 users and
2) the upgrade of KDE 3 and koffice 1.6.3 due to stabilisation to KDE 3.5.10 and 
koffice 1.6.3_p20090204 for users of monolithic ebuilds.

Please refer to the guide [0] to solve those issues.

[0] http:///www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

[gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Duncan]

Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> posted
200907011501.17632.tampakrap@gentoo.org, excerpted below, on  Wed, 01 Jul
2009 15:01:17 +0300:

> Thank you duncan for the typo.

> [0] http:///www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

Umm... it's still there...

Meanwhile, on that web page, there's a minor issue as well.  Under 
Cleaning up KDE:

"""""
In order to minimize issues, it is best to begin with a clean enviroment. 
This is recommended for the following cases: * Moving from +kdeprefix to -
kdeprefix (and vice versa) * Downgrading KDE (eg. from snapshots/live 
ebuilds to portage version) * Fully upgrading from KDE 3 to KDE 4 (and 
vice versa) * Moving from an old overlay Two possible ways of removing 
old KDE installations are:
"""""

Can those bullet points be line-aligned as below?  I think you'll agree 
it's far more readable.  Also, just noticed this as the spellchecker 
flagged it when I added it to the message here: s/enviroment/environment/ 
(missing the n before ment):

"""""
In order to minimize issues, it is best to begin with a clean enviroment. 
This is recommended for the following cases:

 * Moving from +kdeprefix to -kdeprefix (and vice versa)
 * Downgrading KDE (eg. from snapshots/live ebuilds to portage version)
 * Fully upgrading from KDE 3 to KDE 4 (and vice versa)
 * Moving from an old overlay

Two possible ways of removing old KDE installations are:
"""""

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

i'm sending it again as it should be

Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted:
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs

The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
serious issues affecting KDE users:

1) masking of the kdeprefix USE flag for KDE 4 users and
2) the upgrade of KDE 3 and koffice 1.6.3 due to stabilisation to KDE
3.5.10 and koffice 1.6.3_p20090204 for users of monolithic ebuilds.

Please refer to the guide [0] to solve those issues.

[0] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs

Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever? 


-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 16:25:11 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
>
> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs
>
> Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever?

Yes, this affects kde3 and kde4 users.
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:00:35 +0300
Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 July 2009 16:25:11 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
> >
> > Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs
> >
> > Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever?
> 
> Yes, this affects kde3 and kde4 users.

Will it also affect kde5 users?

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

On Wednesday 01 July 2009 17:06:10 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:00:35 +0300
>
> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 01 July 2009 16:25:11 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
> > >
> > > Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs
> > >
> > > Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever?
> >
> > Yes, this affects kde3 and kde4 users.
>
> Will it also affect kde5 users?

right
Display-if-installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-5
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Petteri Räty]

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:00:35 +0300
> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Wednesday 01 July 2009 16:25:11 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
>>>
>>> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs
>>> Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever?
>> Yes, this affects kde3 and kde4 users.
> 
> Will it also affect kde5 users?
> 

"News items can be removed (by removing the news file from the main
tree) when they are no longer relevant, if they are made obsolete by a
future news item or after a long period of time. This is the same as the
method used for updates entries."

I would say the news item is not relevant when kde 5 comes out but of
course it doesn't hurt to have a version specification there. Just
noting that in general atoms without version restrictions shouldn't be a
problem.

Regards,
Petteri


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[gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

If there are no further objections, and if I have the OK from Jorge i'll 
commit the following tonight (name: 2009-07-02-kdeprefix+monolithics.en.txt). 
Btw is it possible the following message to be uploaded in gentoo.org main 
site as well?
Also, you can send me translations, see 
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html for additional information. 
Thanks

Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
Content-Type: text/plain
Posted: 2009-07-02
Revision: 1
News-Item-Format: 1.0
Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-5

The Gentoo KDE Guide has been updated and now covers the two most
serious issues affecting KDE users:

1) masking of the kdeprefix USE flag for KDE 4 users and
2) the upgrade of KDE 3 and koffice 1.6.3 due to stabilisation to KDE
3.5.10 and koffice 1.6.3_p20090204 for users of monolithic ebuilds.

Please refer to the guide [0] to solve those issues.

[0] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

[gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Christian Faulhammer]

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Hallo,

Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>:

> If there are no further objections, and if I have the OK from Jorge
> i'll commit the following tonight 

 Fine by me.

> Also, you can send me translations

 So you will provide Greek I assume.  Here comes German.

> Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues

 Probleme mit kdeprefix und monolithischen Ebuilds

> Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
Translator: Christian Faulhammer <fauli@gentoo.org>

> Content-Type: text/plain
> Posted: 2009-07-02
> Revision: 1
> News-Item-Format: 1.0
> Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-5

Die Anleitung für KDE in Gentoo wurde überarbeitet und deckt nun die
zwei wichtigsten Problemfelder für KDE-Benutzer ab:

1.) Maskierung des kdeprefix USE-Flags für KDE 4-Benutzer und
2.) die Aktualisierung auf KDE 3.5.10 und KOffice 1.6.3_p20090204 für
die Benutzer der monolithischen Ebuilds.

Die Anleitung [0] enthält alle Anweisungen zur Behebung dieser Probleme.
[0] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

V-Li

-- 
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<URL:http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/lisp/>, #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode

<URL:http://gentoo.faulhammer.org/>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

On Thursday 02 July 2009 11:27:34 Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hallo,
>
> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>:
> > If there are no further objections, and if I have the OK from Jorge
> > i'll commit the following tonight
>
>  Fine by me.
>
> > Also, you can send me translations
>
>  So you will provide Greek I assume.  Here comes German.
>
> > Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
>
>  Probleme mit kdeprefix und monolithischen Ebuilds
>
> > Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
>
> Translator: Christian Faulhammer <fauli@gentoo.org>
>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> > Posted: 2009-07-02
> > Revision: 1
> > News-Item-Format: 1.0
> > Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-5
>
> Die Anleitung für KDE in Gentoo wurde überarbeitet und deckt nun die
> zwei wichtigsten Problemfelder für KDE-Benutzer ab:
>
> 1.) Maskierung des kdeprefix USE-Flags für KDE 4-Benutzer und
> 2.) die Aktualisierung auf KDE 3.5.10 und KOffice 1.6.3_p20090204 für
> die Benutzer der monolithischen Ebuilds.
>
> Die Anleitung [0] enthält alle Anweisungen zur Behebung dieser Probleme.
> [0] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
>
> V-Li

Danke.
Hopefully I don't have to translate it to greek. I called all 5 gentoo users 
in Greece. 1 of them was a long time gnome user, two of them stopped using KDE 
before this incident and the other two after the incident.
-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Theo Chatzimichos]

commited, thank you all for the suggestions and the translations. I'll have to 
ask again though, is it possible to have it in the main site as well? in fact, 
who is in charge for the main site? gdp maybe?

On Thursday 02 July 2009 11:50:29 Theo Chatzimichos wrote:
> On Thursday 02 July 2009 11:27:34 Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> > Hallo,
> >
> > Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>:
> > > If there are no further objections, and if I have the OK from Jorge
> > > i'll commit the following tonight
> >
> >  Fine by me.
> >
> > > Also, you can send me translations
> >
> >  So you will provide Greek I assume.  Here comes German.
> >
> > > Title: kdeprefix and monolithic ebuilds issues
> >
> >  Probleme mit kdeprefix und monolithischen Ebuilds
> >
> > > Author: Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org>
> >
> > Translator: Christian Faulhammer <fauli@gentoo.org>
> >
> > > Content-Type: text/plain
> > > Posted: 2009-07-02
> > > Revision: 1
> > > News-Item-Format: 1.0
> > > Display-If-Installed: <kde-base/kdelibs-5
> >
> > Die Anleitung für KDE in Gentoo wurde überarbeitet und deckt nun die
> > zwei wichtigsten Problemfelder für KDE-Benutzer ab:
> >
> > 1.) Maskierung des kdeprefix USE-Flags für KDE 4-Benutzer und
> > 2.) die Aktualisierung auf KDE 3.5.10 und KOffice 1.6.3_p20090204 für
> > die Benutzer der monolithischen Ebuilds.
> >
> > Die Anleitung [0] enthält alle Anweisungen zur Behebung dieser Probleme.
> > [0] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml
> >
> > V-Li
>
> Danke.
> Hopefully I don't have to translate it to greek. I called all 5 gentoo
> users in Greece. 1 of them was a long time gnome user, two of them stopped
> using KDE before this incident and the other two after the incident.

-- 
Theo Chatzimichos (tampakrap)
Gentoo KDE/Qt Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New eselect news item for kdeprefix

[Alec Warner]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Petteri Räty<betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:00:35 +0300
>> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 01 July 2009 16:25:11 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:45:29 +0300
>>>>
>>>> Theo Chatzimichos <tampakrap@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>>> Display-If-Installed: kde-base/kdelibs
>>>> Really? Anyone who has any version of kdelibs ever?
>>> Yes, this affects kde3 and kde4 users.
>>
>> Will it also affect kde5 users?
>>
>
> "News items can be removed (by removing the news file from the main
> tree) when they are no longer relevant, if they are made obsolete by a
> future news item or after a long period of time. This is the same as the
> method used for updates entries."
>
> I would say the news item is not relevant when kde 5 comes out but of
> course it doesn't hurt to have a version specification there. Just
> noting that in general atoms without version restrictions shouldn't be a
> problem.

I think getting news items that don't apply to me is a pretty big UI
problem; it would be nice to recommend to people writing items to make
sure their atoms are bounded.

-A

>
> Regards,
> Petteri
>
>