From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9ker-0007Mv-Cu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:48:53 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7AF2E032A; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.156]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7CDE032A for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 18:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so1506330fge.14 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:48:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=2omk9rybCRdznPKhQgMMZ10eHQ2jsf+7ZCSaHbTBhI0=; b=WjU9VGePQuF3rNx1UQmKMLGwsEoNWWX4MZLZIy5fzUEZIwU0EuOQzXh1/zq1xi/kaw O/+0mnIGlShp1jbWVq2LAadzL/Sb944TqAjgm/OB0nFmsWv+u+ej7ueFPQOJOp+DzqDQ pnW37OIhzUggP3lrK1l4NnizKh1XXcmQRhEsk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=GPknsiOAlQT4cc+1/VKL1CAbHd2lD78YPwo6qfUs/p7uqpXCqYCJKt2wURDTOFLkuc tnfFGy6vnufm5VEGTsYuqrHp9WqdwZfNfE+hhb2IXtX/MpHWSktZErBuNz0KeidJlSxv xmg2TTMckVD+tpUu06ILR2VyWtWqxRKk26CyM= Received: by 10.86.90.2 with SMTP id n2mr1875393fgb.39.1243536530781; Thu, 28 May 2009 11:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm6026689fga.16.2009.05.28.11.48.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 May 2009 11:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:48:45 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for May 28 Message-ID: <20090528194845.30a7c9ad@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <200905282030.44496.patrick@gentoo.org> References: <1243489596.10450.24.camel@localhost> <1243533366.3439.0@NeddySeagoon> <20090528190418.4712e0c1@snowcone> <200905282030.44496.patrick@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/Ki8ga_GZzwESyO51C.c5Pk9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: ad5640ff-0735-4ad6-bfc7-dd9e502c0ac9 X-Archives-Hash: df8f72fe2985471b539d543d5bcb8c16 --Sig_/Ki8ga_GZzwESyO51C.c5Pk9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 28 May 2009 20:30:44 +0200 Patrick Lauer wrote: > > Interactive time is important. If it were adding those extra > > seconds to the build, no-one would care. But it's not. It's adding > > them to when the user's sitting at the screen waiting for results. >=20 > So how about we improve the structure instead of trying to patch up > some hotspots? That's a subject for a different GLEP, and one that's not going to go anywhere ever unless someone comes up with a way of doing it incrementally. GLEP 55's performance concerns are limited to not making things worse. > For example a readonly repository would guarantee that the cache is > always consistent. Until someone modifies it, yes. > > > You mean 0.3% (or less) of the emerge world time? > > > > No, he means 50% of pretend time when you're sitting there waiting > > to see what's going to happen. >=20 > So fix the diseases instead of doctoring around some symptoms ... I await your GLEP that covers how to migrate the tree layout. That's a separate issue, however. > > It is the best. If we're requiring EAPI before trying to parse PV, > > all the EAPIs have to be known to do any ordering. >=20 > ... and why the [censored] would we want that then? Because without that, we can't make changes to the version format. > It would help if you would tolerate other opinions (or even the > possibility that other people may have opinions that do not agree > with you). The only issue of opinion is whether or not .ebuild-X and .eapi-X.eb look pretty. The rest is purely technical and entirely objective. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/Ki8ga_GZzwESyO51C.c5Pk9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoe3I8ACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHN3QCfcK5yqbUzqUX3szk9mNmIvOS7 MQkAoJ8aqitxYMTnbN4VduwUwwHH8wMj =ltdf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/Ki8ga_GZzwESyO51C.c5Pk9--