From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5lQY-0006x8-Ri for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:49:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45716E03A5; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23250E03A5 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (0x3ef266d2.svgnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk [62.242.102.210]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A511643C8 for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 18:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:47:33 +0200 From: Peter Alfredsen To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 updated Message-ID: <20090517204733.16a62725@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <8b4c83ad0905171024q3cb89d1dt77277cad0a7f982c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090517180600.20a3c8a4@gentoo.org> <8b4c83ad0905171024q3cb89d1dt77277cad0a7f982c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 21a0139a-f03c-442b-ad7c-e7f8d33946df X-Archives-Hash: 4c26885ea7af9345708c8f371379a204 On Sun, 17 May 2009 22:54:38 +0530 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Peter Alfredsen > wrote: > > On Sun, 17 May 2009 17:56:06 +0200 > > Piotr Jaroszy=C5=84ski wrote: > > > >> I know gentoo has other problems too, but it's the new and > >> innovative stuff that makes working on Gentoo fun. > > > > YES ! > > >=20 > I sincerely hope that was sarcasm. I don't want us to get to a place where every single new feature has to be delayed by the objection "We've got basic bugs we need to fix first." That's just unreasonable and a straw man. I get my kicks from improving things, not from fixing broken things. You may object and say they're one and the same, and you would not be wrong, but the emphasis *is* different. People seem to not see that in the case of GLEP 55 and some call for a moratorium on new features till we've fixed the bugs that already exist. Not gonna happen. The human spirit is what's driving Gentoo, giving it life. Our aspirations to improve the world around us lives and breathes with every ebuild we churn out. World domination is our goal and we won't get there by letting the maintainer-needed queue bog us down. I think that it's obvious to everybody that the problem GLEP 55 is solving is real. To me, .ebuild-$eapi/.eapi-$eapi.eb looks like the best solution, all things considered. From a purely unixy point-of-view, I see the cleanliness of a shebang EAPI definition, and that would be my second choice, but we need a solution we can use now. Not a year from now. Time really does matter. My dislike for the GLEP 55 process is my main reason for supporting GLEP 55 as-is. If we can skip just one more 50-mail thread because of GLEP55, it will be worth the extra work of typing -$eapi every now and then. Because seriously, if ever there was a mailing list topic whose only effect has been to act like a succubus, GLEP 55 is it. ( In other words: No sarcasm intended ) /loki_val