From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M5LKv-0007Iz-T1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:58:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F0C5E0456; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60043E0456 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 14:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 13so868507fge.14 for ; Sat, 16 May 2009 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=uh6OWOlbkFoguFMHhEuIW1Yg0IhiPrKlc/1NOm56w4w=; b=BnVltoPdKy2cM+pjxfQlKnX/3sJZAssUXG8bEtiZVYlTnfQa8QJzLeKydWrMYdQ5j2 YCmiqKjsGBUMAnJgHTORE2Idf/fsFWtSpFpt+PLjS75QBNUWIl45f5uFAxgu1cJPYQci BzFIfwVqZAKq7F0LISwSWBycBXsNWJ0uiIWEM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=GT7cY/ygI/X5n58vYwO6q2kd5aSz9EuBG+6UqXcnQ7BdA1fsphjG0gNG76alAzHZHe V2ieRWkhtNS0ntm9mCYODgnUXWNMUo3FPphPQBI5XZIp1FS34V9C3LGPV0z9x7ptxd36 ZPkGVT6EREb6+PKrn4FQQA9KEDOHRA4aW+DGQ= Received: by 10.86.80.5 with SMTP id d5mr4916536fgb.59.1242485834768; Sat, 16 May 2009 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowmobile (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm2769442fgb.16.2009.05.16.07.57.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 16 May 2009 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:57:09 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The fallacies of GLEP55 Message-ID: <20090516155709.4847f2aa@snowmobile> In-Reply-To: <5981172.Hf5BpBib5L@news.friendly-coders.info> References: <200905142006.51998.patrick@gentoo.org> <4A0C790A.1050209@gentoo.org> <20090514231623.409c8eb7@gentoo.org> <20090514214909.GA23080@linux1> <20090514225337.34df7dac@snowcone> <20090515194329.GA16382@linux1> <20090515204905.54aa6a5c@snowmobile> <20090516092710.GA3221@eric.schwarzvogel.de> <20090516151216.15efc792@snowmobile> <5981172.Hf5BpBib5L@news.friendly-coders.info> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.16.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/xA=Aa/5/VXyzVUpiG9gOXVg"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Archives-Salt: ad2575e5-98a9-4b11-b378-fa0d0a2ebac1 X-Archives-Hash: d02eb3d544f49bca7b017d7220773b88 --Sig_/xA=Aa/5/VXyzVUpiG9gOXVg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 16 May 2009 15:50:39 +0100 Steven J Long wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Sat, 16 May 2009 11:27:10 +0200 > > Tobias Klausmann wrote: > >> Change the spec, then. > >=20 > > If we change the spec, we can't do anything with the change until > > we're absolutely sure that everyone's updated both their ebuilds > > and their package manager for it. > > > Isn't that what the EAPI process is for? >=20 > The "support every overlay and old version of portage known to Gentoo" > is a "straw man" as one hears so much of. GLEP-55 makes explicit > mention of waiting for 2008.0 to ship, and Gentoo is ultimately only > responsible for the software it ships, including sunrise. You've missed the point. The point is, the EAPI process can't avoid the "huge wait before we can use it" for certain types of change that would be extremely useful. GLEP 55 fixes this limitation, and it's the *only* thing that fixes this limitation. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/xA=Aa/5/VXyzVUpiG9gOXVg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoO1EcACgkQ96zL6DUtXhGJtgCfcuQhyj1TDQiLNy2wMRLp9sI7 aMQAn3ca1acCExyK2pGR/U6BqTuIdxaP =ckb0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/xA=Aa/5/VXyzVUpiG9gOXVg--