From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lh4eA-0001sK-PE for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:17:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48E8AE0067; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f173.google.com (mail-ew0-f173.google.com [209.85.219.173]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67B0E0067 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy21 with SMTP id 21so1147111ewy.34 for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:17:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=uJ7XdoC7qd2ag62RYnYhsr1QwEC1qXx9ZKzq049PLqk=; b=CFzXVs1XcchJPCRGXOLU7M4PhT/rzmdfcvggjCDTzhQbsanvCNEPiz7G++ND0DQSQR s0dI/68iG54hMXEJA4Nz+56+p6B6sKecul10rDin6GiyX3kzR8IDlXMzQdsfYspI9NkG olrsjUJLdLzAy3ZNHTqDXJWswFqAS1Pijc4NU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=wHlim0vr+N48DrEjwPASORAZRd8sGnJRj9xmeZJm7r3lK/nAE6wbBkLHxkRH0RugkA 2mtw05EF1eHiEUhN4kxAAhZNXR7TpgQ+Nc7clP8jGTrdGMYTvTIa3nkUqLol7pMbM8YE nKWciwC8wIXunEm5XSs+3j2H+KCP0YYT6QGxA= Received: by 10.216.20.74 with SMTP id o52mr2821654weo.147.1236701856196; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowcone (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm4124753nfu.9.2009.03.10.09.17.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 16:17:27 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3 Message-ID: <20090310161727.39f3823a@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20090310171156.39c6061c@terra.solaris> References: <1236498557.6854.51.camel@neuromancer> <20090309202624.723e4b2a@snowcone> <20090309223311.4774f0bf@terra.solaris> <20090309213633.4710250e@snowmobile> <20090309232003.09d922a2@terra.solaris> <20090309222511.751c5aea@snowmobile> <20090310002549.207e542f@terra.solaris> <20090310123338.1a80f5e3@snowcone> <20090310171156.39c6061c@terra.solaris> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/UnMYS2X+88_yOPtU17Tdj.V"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 64e2cc07-d2af-4208-8054-bee079950b81 X-Archives-Hash: 5a59b1ee359506a73aa042968474ce53 --Sig_/UnMYS2X+88_yOPtU17Tdj.V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:11:56 +0100 Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh : > > Then this is a legitimate problem that someone needs to know about > > and fix. So having src_test turned on globally is a *good* thing. > >=20 > [...] > >=20 > > Again, finding this is good. > [...] > >=20 > > And if you're on an especially slow platform, as a user you can turn > > tests off. >=20 > Ciaran, your initial argument was that stable users won't see those > failures as architecture teams will spot them during stabilisation. Unless there is a genuine problem, yes. > This is wrong, above cases will turn up after a successful > stabilisation with full QA. And they indicate a genuine problem, so you want them to show up. > Nobody ever said, that spotting those is bad, so for me this > discussion has ended. Enabling by default for everyone (not all > users are experts, like it or not) is a bad idea as it causes many > false positives and has drawbacks for just-users. So? The occasional false positive, which can quickly be fixed, is a lot better than missing things that will break a user's system. We should be failing safely, not defaulting to dangerous behaviour. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/UnMYS2X+88_yOPtU17Tdj.V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm2kpsACgkQ96zL6DUtXhEWcACgyuN99PKKQ3WXdADogTis+seY 8eMAoI2WW00W98Yec53XwH6lb2Y1Q6Tf =KKF0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/UnMYS2X+88_yOPtU17Tdj.V--