From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lgoqh-0004zj-Im for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:25:31 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46F96E02B4; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mo-p05-ob.rzone.de (mo-p05-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6F5E02B4 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:25:29 +0000 (UTC) X-RZG-AUTH: :K2kKYU+nW/MMMlTokcN5Yot1/Bj/FTl+WviP6RIJci0HRMpbh/x+X6ShOQvVOjw+sRFUckIGSg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 Received: from terra.solaris (p57A4EB03.dip.t-dialin.net [87.164.235.3]) by post.strato.de (mrclete mo47) (RZmta 18.25) with ESMTP id K04e24l29LKTdE for ; Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:25:28 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:25:49 +0100 From: Christian Faulhammer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Ideas for a (fast) EAPI=3 Message-ID: <20090310002549.207e542f@terra.solaris> In-Reply-To: <20090309222511.751c5aea@snowmobile> References: <1236498557.6854.51.camel@neuromancer> <20090309202624.723e4b2a@snowcone> <20090309223311.4774f0bf@terra.solaris> <20090309213633.4710250e@snowmobile> <20090309232003.09d922a2@terra.solaris> <20090309222511.751c5aea@snowmobile> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.1 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/sGwFI5VD7irqxJ.p8NNdK7C"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: f77df55a-cd27-4b53-bff5-2363ac0ab096 X-Archives-Hash: 13f45cf5e302e444cca0027454420527 --Sig_/sGwFI5VD7irqxJ.p8NNdK7C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Ciaran McCreesh : > On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 23:20:03 +0100 > Christian Faulhammer wrote: > > Package A goes stable, test suite passes. Package B (a dependency > > of A) goes stable in a newer version, which will cause A to not > > merge in stable profile. This happens all the time and is no > > special case. >=20 > Uh, you *are* testing things that use a library before you stable that > library, right? When I was an architecture developer I tried to. But when stabilising a minor version of curl (for example), testing all reverse dependencies is no option. But this broke tests for Bazaar for example in stable. Or another issue. Badly written Autoconf systems which will break in src_test() with a different version of intltool, which is not a direct dependency. That pitfall hit me several times in the last years. The more, x86 e.g. ranges from embedded Geode platforms to dual core desktop systems and running the sqlite test suite on the first is no fun. As a user I would not accept two hours of build time. Test-driven development is great, but not so widely used as one could wish it to be. > Besides, if a newer version of a library breaks a package using it, > you most definitely want to know about it before you end up merging > something that won't work. If src_test is failing where it used to > work, it's a very good sign that something's broken, and you shouldn't > be carrying on. Arch devs run test suites and won't stabilise if it fails (except some special cases). V-Li --=20 Christian Faulhammer, Gentoo Lisp project , #gentoo-lisp on FreeNode --Sig_/sGwFI5VD7irqxJ.p8NNdK7C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkm1pYEACgkQNQqtfCuFneMsgQCeMu520ZXwRwvjg19Z90PUqF4P 3m8An1811QIXgBPXQERy9Njw/Cl2kv+O =QAUe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/sGwFI5VD7irqxJ.p8NNdK7C--