From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LZrko-0006RY-N6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:06:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F16BE02BF; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f157.google.com (mail-bw0-f157.google.com [209.85.218.157]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A50BE02BF for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz1 with SMTP id 1so119462bwz.10 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=GQ0H8KEhvaLE1mpMulSLcyf34jg/IF/8II+SR/No7T4=; b=x7zybt+oP+H1RRNBsgKV68NfinKJ0bNzc5ZqwNOBoJKUjSaPg3Ky+HYQSvTkSBgmfW H/9JIHT0ldP+oUx/4qRk6Uo0fR7LHUPbIw5n7cLshpLb0rGpXy7iX0rWzYdVp0Acflib Hqmp339fSHyVEl7yfYk6uyS6nT8rtfajVyGK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=qWDfpBOhOOjlMYDHY7B9ytFQqNaMp34AgQh3Ff/MRk+ZeWP1yKhZj8hEX6qrQtN20x 715ezvPG1XHHWGnR4U+WcS22x745Y/9BuJ1Fw934aOPwwyLyNV79kDbO5uyVBb+etBdO ieYuFNCFSL8FLCRHOKbaWsJqt813PTjNj7WT0= Received: by 10.103.52.7 with SMTP id e7mr3376783muk.115.1234983998709; Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from snowcone (92-235-187-79.cable.ubr18.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x26sm271943ugc.49.2009.02.18.11.06.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:06:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:06:30 +0000 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] prepalldocs is now banned Message-ID: <20090218190630.1c12ee7a@snowcone> In-Reply-To: <20090218200104.291e07bc@gentoo.org> References: <20090213213017.GA3452@dodo.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> <200902172326.19358.bangert@gentoo.org> <9d2010770902171610u7839ac9bsedca72fa74b70d29@mail.gmail.com> <20090218001806.1a19df6b@snowcone> <20090218083958.01f2111f@gentoo.org> <20090218140646.10282a5b@snowcone> <18844.9899.336441.721100@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20090218152137.221889fe@snowcone> <18844.11606.213809.834453@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20090218155035.1eac6792@snowcone> <20090218200104.291e07bc@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.14.7; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/uaEO0DM+svqffKkgjpjlDgh"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 5a42bf6f-fc11-4821-b3f8-9578a046bd76 X-Archives-Hash: 57adcaa1e0e85c7b5893579d2a4c2761 --Sig_/uaEO0DM+svqffKkgjpjlDgh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:01:04 +0100 Alexis Ballier wrote: > > If you really, genuinely think you have a case for compression of > > docs, backed up with statistics showing that it's a relevant change, >=20 > I fail to see why you need statistics for something that is clearly a > waste of space, but this could be a start: > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_9018a9f64cd32ba85494887ffe3edf7= 8.xml Because if you look at the statistics, it's pretty obvious that it's a stupid idea. If you've got USE=3Ddoc, somewhere around 4% of managed files are in /usr/share/doc, and once you take inode sizes into account, you can knock that down to about 3% -- and this is for people who are already turning on a use flag that wouldn't be on on space-relevant systems. > > then you should write a proposal for future EAPIs for handling it, >=20 > I don't understand why something that has been there for ages has to > die. For what I've seen, the major (and only) problem with prepalldocs > is its definition and I'm sure we can find one that everybody will > agree with. Because killing it is better than keeping it. It's solving an irrelevant problem the wrong way. > > and you should do it in such a way that it works automatically for > > all ebuilds, without any developer intervention (but providing some > > way for ebuilds to disable it where necessary). >=20 > This is probably a good start: > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_eb1f7952eb2f0fe725bde331a4d9ae3= 0.xml Can you demonstrate that it's even remotely useful? --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/uaEO0DM+svqffKkgjpjlDgh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcXDkACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHcEwCgxX+8umCFY+NaVh4sfDcjiGFj O/IAoJy40bv3DP+sFJgul2I4uyHKKO4P =nu6a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/uaEO0DM+svqffKkgjpjlDgh--