From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KZPUQ-00052b-8D for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:23:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2AAAE01EC; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97810E01EC for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so1337961uge.39 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:23:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=LUED9OMVa25iRgCg66szyYaKSpwXtqSHaR+Oi4C/VNM=; b=HP+/Prquh+FkZeN7UtxSDqWdwGo0CLcTUGNDcZMjRI37SEQGEvqesLE2cwsRo0Rwr/ BF/+1G3pL/mAgT90Snj6dxgPekS38nbFasNejDbO8485UnS6xtbeio1Iueo9IrrodIiW AT3OY8FFdrw0Tjk/xHiWTR5LTgVkRS81KSsjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=u7TA7prLVoZHlWMYkYr73DYM5fy0xd/ZtOWT10GNr880YadT4dt9MZ4BAitGMLOdyp Oh4kjodC1jainny2OZNLt7ngjhB6NjOXmOs51KedPGNef/cPRNxRuOhUR8e9fCXBhOpM ViHbUt2KA1kTVRpxsNLwELAqzjZoIhJSdQVYw= Received: by 10.66.252.18 with SMTP id z18mr581533ugh.86.1220099015274; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [92.235.187.79]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e34sm11629212ugd.39.2008.08.30.05.23.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:23:24 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC] PROPERTIES=virtual for meta-packages (clarification of definition) Message-ID: <20080830132324.1e70134f@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <48B1CC3C.2000103@gentoo.org> <20080825201217.194fecad@googlemail.com> <48B309C2.1060204@gentoo.org> <200808252103.27006.levertond@googlemail.com> <20080826142044.28367055@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/v81.WPJOOaDnavxV+Nt6DMr"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 70fbe9d1-77ca-4294-a4b4-371fc73f94db X-Archives-Hash: f83142a9bc03f23eacd7adea393c34ef --Sig_/v81.WPJOOaDnavxV+Nt6DMr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:59:41 +0100 Steve Long wrote: > I concur that it makes a lot of sense, fitting in exactly with the > meaning originally given. That it means 'zero-install-cost' is > neither here nor there imo; 'virtual' is a well understood terms for > the same thing: an ebuild that doesn't in itself install anything. Except that that's not what it's being used to mean. It's being used to mean "the cost of selecting this when doing dependency resolution cost analysis is zero", which is an entirely different thing. > It's clearly something that can be useful across the tree, and can > apply to an ebuild as opposed to a package. Forcing a category (or a > pkgmove which is a pita aiui) seems inelegant (and doesn't enable the > second use-case); the property is far more appropriate, and as you > say, 'virtual' is less confusing for a user than 'zero-install-cost', > especially within Gentoo. Users don't need to see it. Heck, most developers don't need to see it. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/v81.WPJOOaDnavxV+Nt6DMr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAki5O78ACgkQ96zL6DUtXhFrKwCeMr+zd/m6Wz1fkAlhcMIPxm8T R0cAn1xWSEc/bGUIxH22ldHUhdNn8lOZ =4sH8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/v81.WPJOOaDnavxV+Nt6DMr--