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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev]  Re: A few questions to our nominees
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:57:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080614115708.59ff2f60@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4853A14B.6060501@gentoo.org>

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:45:31 +0200
Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > And none of those are even close to a reasonable, implementable
> > idea.
> 
> They are implementable.

They're really not. You haven't even begun to discuss:

* What generation looks like.
* How to select which ebuilds to trigger generation for.
* When specifically to trigger generation.
* Whether generation failure is possible, and what happens if it is.
* What to do when generated information is required but not available.
* The security implications of the previous point.
* What the impact upon upstream servers is, if any.
* How generation fits in with users doing system updates.
* How generation fits in with the highly differing frequencies of
upstream updates.
* How generation can be made to fit in without changes to the version
spec, whilst still 'making sense' and doing the right thing.

The answers to all of the above are highly non-trivial.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-14 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 243+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-08  9:12 [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-08  9:24 ` Alistair Bush
2008-06-08  9:33 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-08  9:38 ` Ferris McCormick
2008-06-08 10:19   ` Ferris McCormick
2008-06-08 10:45 ` Roy Bamford
2008-06-08 10:59   ` Denis Dupeyron
2008-06-08 11:22     ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-08 11:27       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-08 11:35         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2008-06-08 11:42           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-08 11:57             ` Sergio D. Rodríguez Inclan
2008-06-08 12:41           ` Alex Howells
2008-06-08 12:50             ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2008-06-08 15:17             ` Peter Weller
2008-06-10  9:32               ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09 20:49             ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2008-06-09 17:19         ` Jeroen Roovers
2008-06-08 17:54 ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-08 21:09   ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-09  4:35   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  7:58     ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-09  8:06       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  8:26         ` Roy Marples
2008-06-09  8:29           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  8:28         ` Denis Dupeyron
2008-06-09  8:31           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  8:50         ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-09  8:55           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-09  8:55           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  9:49             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-09  9:59               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09 10:28                 ` Josh Saddler
2008-06-09 10:36                   ` David Leverton
2008-06-09 10:41                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09 10:56                     ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-09 11:02                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09 11:00               ` Fabian Groffen
2008-06-09 11:45                 ` Thomas Anderson
2008-06-09 12:18                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-09 12:24                     ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-09 12:26                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09 13:18                       ` Thomas Anderson
2008-06-09 13:51                     ` Matthias Langer
2008-06-09 18:08                     ` Jan Kundrát
2008-06-09 18:07                   ` Jan Kundrát
2008-06-09 20:37           ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09  7:45 ` Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09  7:51   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09  8:27     ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09  8:33       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-09 19:45         ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09 20:10           ` Jan Kundrát
2008-06-09 20:45             ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09 20:13           ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-11  0:24             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2008-06-09  9:07       ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-09  9:26         ` Peter Weller
2008-06-09 19:29           ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-09 21:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2008-06-09 23:03   ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  0:21     ` pioto
2008-06-10  1:49       ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 (was: A few questions to our nominees) Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  1:58         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  2:15           ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  2:29             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  3:36               ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  3:48                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  4:09                   ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  4:20                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  5:35                       ` Donnie Berkholz
2008-06-10  5:41                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  8:33                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-10  8:35                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10  9:40                               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10  9:44                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 10:30                                   ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-10 10:36                                     ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 13:32                                     ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 10:01                               ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-10 13:46                                 ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 13:50                                   ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-11 16:22                                     ` Patrick Börjesson
2008-06-10 13:49                                 ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-10 14:00                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:08                                     ` Arun Raghavan
2008-06-10 14:14                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:24                                         ` Arun Raghavan
2008-06-10 14:35                                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:48                                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 15:56                                         ` Mike Auty
2008-06-10 22:44                                           ` Mike Kelly
2008-06-11  6:47                                             ` Mike Auty
2008-06-11 10:05                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2008-06-11 14:37                                           ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-06-12  2:07                                           ` Jim Ramsay
2008-06-11 14:40                                             ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-06-11 23:57                                               ` Jim Ramsay
2008-06-11 12:52                                     ` Duncan
2008-06-11 15:37                                       ` Duncan
2008-06-10 14:17                                   ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 20:20                                     ` Federico Ferri
2008-06-10 22:14                                       ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-06-10 22:56                                         ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-10 23:28                                           ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 17:06                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-06-10 17:18                                   ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-10  9:38                             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 13:31                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 13:36                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 11:08                       ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-11  7:25                       ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 (why use filename extension?) Peter Volkov
2008-06-11  7:34                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 14:40                           ` Peter Volkov
2008-06-11 15:03                             ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  8:27                     ` [gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 55 Tiziano Müller
2008-06-10  9:43                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 10:06                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-10 10:22                           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 10:25                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 11:13                               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 11:16                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 11:17                                 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 10:32                             ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-10 11:11                               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 14:19                                 ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-10 15:02                                   ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 15:07                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 16:00                                     ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 13:42                           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 13:48                             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 13:50                               ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 14:10                                 ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-10 13:49                             ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 13:56                               ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-10 14:02                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:10                                   ` Arun Raghavan
2008-06-10 14:27                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 15:08                                       ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-10 15:24                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 23:36                                           ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2008-06-11  3:14                                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  6:31                                               ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2008-06-11  6:36                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 11:36                                                   ` Arun Raghavan
2008-06-10 17:14                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2008-06-11  3:14                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  4:22                                       ` Arun Raghavan
2008-06-11  4:27                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  9:52                                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-06-10 13:57                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:11                                 ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-10 14:30                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-10 14:36                                     ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-12 11:44                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2008-06-10 13:26                       ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10  3:46             ` [gentoo-dev] " Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-11  1:04               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2008-06-10 12:13             ` [gentoo-dev] " Jan Kundrát
2008-06-10 13:37               ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-10 14:36           ` [gentoo-dev] GLEP 55 (was: A few questions to our nominees) Robert Bridge
2008-06-10 14:41             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-12  9:05 ` [gentoo-dev] A few questions to our nominees Luca Barbato
2008-06-12  9:14   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-12 19:40     ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-13  5:28       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-13  8:43         ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-13  8:48           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-13  8:50           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-13  9:14             ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-13  9:21               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-13  9:20             ` Tiziano Müller
2008-06-13  9:29               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-13  9:52                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2008-06-13 10:27                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 11:53                   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2008-06-14 12:32                     ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-14 14:11                       ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 14:39                         ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-14 14:49                           ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 14:58                           ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 15:04                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-06-14 15:27                         ` Duncan
2008-06-14 17:45                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Marius Mauch
2008-06-14 13:03                     ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-13 11:14           ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Harring
2008-06-13 11:23             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-13 11:32             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-13 11:35               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-13 11:35   ` Marius Mauch
2008-06-14  5:24     ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-06-14  8:19       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14  8:27         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14  9:53           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14  9:57             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 10:04               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 10:10                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 10:45                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 10:57                     ` Ciaran McCreesh [this message]
2008-06-14 12:27                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 13:01                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 13:15                           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 13:20                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 13:29                               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 13:38                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 14:45                           ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-14 14:48                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 18:18                             ` Joe Peterson
2008-06-14 13:25                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 13:34                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14 14:34             ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-14 15:55               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 16:37                 ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-14 17:28                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-15 12:54                     ` Peter Volkov
2008-06-14 16:34               ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 16:45                 ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-14 11:32         ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-06-14 12:10           ` Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
2008-06-14 12:41           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 14:09             ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 16:03               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 16:14                 ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-14 16:23                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 16:25                     ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-14 16:29                 ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 17:36                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 17:55                     ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-14 18:02                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 18:07                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-14 20:18                           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 20:21                             ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-14 21:27                               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 22:52                                 ` Piotr Jaroszyński
2008-06-14 18:29                       ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-14 18:13                     ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-14 20:16                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-17  4:54                         ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-17  8:59                           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-17  9:16                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-14  8:38     ` [gentoo-dev] " Luca Barbato
2008-06-14 17:40       ` Marius Mauch

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