From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6OHy-0001bb-I0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:14:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F05ADE04C6; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975D1E04C6 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z27so78391ugc.49 for ; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:14:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; bh=WgUYqJz89OHs/GztP7ZTccT+mzmRgLYg1QCdr3B6le4=; b=W5Js6BXVqEbs8XuwQibnmZNxUfj+05MXGTLkoa35UxYFhMciKK0cbYVRdwDHSc1lJt EYElbaLIhSfdXFE6iBJCJ3P6p4wGh9bQgBSeFBOsxHAjQ2aI3xDcvR+oKmtkh1DpGcHQ EYzsnKQ64B5OyudUGqzWCweM+wcWb441qpi5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type; b=nK5E0GvRTVVq29/QsDpv7Z5iSx3/7Xa4LfGCMfgjTadLn/XeufBc245bORC8XzlvR7 lwbaYzXOu8x43c0bG6Kn3O3X0sr+I35oH1N8kavkpxs3bIWSh84KIh9A9HvR7XuEPLlN 8vrBIUDovxrImh0oM4md8iTaVdcXB6L3+e/DA= Received: by 10.67.116.6 with SMTP id t6mr1081868ugm.76.1213182887386; Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [213.121.151.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m1sm3840883uge.36.2008.06.11.04.14.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:14:38 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started Message-ID: <20080611121438.1ab87917@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <484FAF31.10901@gentoo.org> References: <484EAB4F.6070608@gentoo.org> <484EAC1C.4020009@dev.gentooexperimental.org> <8b4c83ad0806100933vb06644ehcbe4b4e3d4006601@mail.gmail.com> <484EAE4A.6020902@gentoo.org> <20080611001123.GA7972@seldon.metaweb.com> <20080611065737.3ac6cfb6@googlemail.com> <484F6A88.6090404@gentoo.org> <20080611071121.6082e3e2@googlemail.com> <484FAF31.10901@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/wK5OLvFx5gUFfADeP2zUfzn"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Archives-Salt: 39ff4179-41f0-4482-b43f-a6d64fb915b3 X-Archives-Hash: be9721267c1cc5f08dbb8c7060fdfb49 --Sig_/wK5OLvFx5gUFfADeP2zUfzn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 06:55:45 -0400 Richard Freeman wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:02:48 +0200 > > Luca Barbato wrote: > >>> Had you bothered to write even trivial test suites for EAPI 1, > >>> you'd've found at least one major bug straight away. > >> http://www.pkgcore.org/trac/pkgcore/newticket > >=20 > > http://www.pkgcore.org/trac/pkgcore/ticket/197 >=20 > Uh - what is the goal on this list - to make Gentoo a better=20 > distribution or to point out that the package manager that I maintain > is better than the package manager that you maintain? The point is to make pkgcore a better package manager by getting the developers to do some basic testing. We're not talking some obscure, weird bug here. We're talking a really obvious, major screwup that a couple of quick unit tests would catch straight away. > And if you don't want to be part of the solution, then why are you=20 > wasting your time here? I'm a big fan of PMS/paludis/etc in general,=20 > but why waste your time contributing these things to Gentoo if you > don't want Gentoo to succeed? If you do want Gentoo to succeed, then > why not give others a helping hand when it costs you virtually > nothing to do so? Give a man a bug report and he fixes one bug. Persuade a man to write basic unit tests and he fixes a whole load of bugs and catches a whole load more in the future before shipping them out. And then you give him bug reports for what that doesn't catch. The problem is, the pkgcore people are being blatantly irresponsible by sticking a package manager that claims to support EAPI 1 in the tree without actually supporting EAPI 1. In particular, it means we'll have to decide whether to avoid using some EAPI 1 features just to avoid breaking people using older pkgcore versions. --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_/wK5OLvFx5gUFfADeP2zUfzn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkhPs6IACgkQ96zL6DUtXhHeFwCfdFNOYjm3NRZS4iE+ANh2I290 V2QAn189B58lzr/4yPEdFF7Bpw2tASfL =/qTc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/wK5OLvFx5gUFfADeP2zUfzn-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list