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From: Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:01:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080611070128.18e19b86@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <484F6851.8060804@gentoo.org>

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:53:21 +0200
Luca Barbato <lu_zero@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > A whole bunch of science packages have upstreams that say "If you're
> > building from source, run 'make check' and if it fails don't carry
> > on".
> 
> Their rationale behind that is that their code is severely broken,
> using experimental features from their language of choice or, simply,
> that they are paranoid and couldn't think better ways to annoy people?

Their rationale being that compilers and users screw up, and that
detecting a failure before deployment is important for people who care
about what programs do.

Simple example... Take people who use Roy's broken patches from bug
192403. If you build a program that uses C++ exception handling using
such a compiler, it'll compile just fine and then do very weird things
at runtime. Test suites catch this, and spare a lot of everyone's time.

> > For that matter, I'm strongly inclined to say that for Paludis
> > too...
> 
> Getting the build time from 30minutes to an hour or more?

And saving your ass when you're using a broken compiler that generates
broken code that would force you to reinstall a working compiler by
hand when the package manager gets h0rked.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-11  6:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-10 16:26 [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started Doug Goldstein
2008-06-10 16:30 ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-10 16:33   ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2008-06-10 16:39     ` Doug Goldstein
2008-06-10 16:54       ` Richard Brown
2008-06-10 17:06         ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-10 17:26           ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-11  5:50           ` Alistair Bush
2008-06-11  0:11         ` Brian Harring
2008-06-11  5:57           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  6:02             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:11               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 10:55                 ` Richard Freeman
2008-06-11 11:14                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 12:05                     ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11 12:39                       ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-11 12:49                         ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-11 13:03                           ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-11 12:49                         ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11 13:00                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 13:05                             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11 13:12                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 13:08                             ` Brian Harring
2008-06-11 13:19                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 13:07                           ` Bernd Steinhauser
2008-06-11 13:20                             ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11 13:26                               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 13:34                                 ` Patrick Lauer
2008-06-11 13:53                                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 14:46                                 ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11 13:30                               ` David Leverton
2008-06-12  1:46                                 ` Jim Ramsay
2008-06-11 18:00                                   ` David Leverton
2008-06-11 19:24                                     ` Roy Marples
2008-06-11 19:27                                       ` Fabian Groffen
2008-06-12  2:16                                     ` [gentoo-dev] eapi1 bug/pkgcore sucks thread [was EAPI-2 - Let's get it started] Brian Harring
2008-06-12  9:39                                       ` Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-13  0:08                                         ` Brian Harring
2008-06-14  9:49                                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2008-06-12 11:02                                       ` Thomas Anderson
2008-06-13  0:11                                         ` Brian Harring
2008-06-10 17:34       ` [gentoo-dev] EAPI-2 - Let's get it started Fernando J. Pereda
2008-06-10 18:50         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2008-06-10 19:44         ` Doug Goldstein
2008-06-10 22:11 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2008-06-10 23:03   ` Marius Mauch
2008-06-10 23:42     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2008-06-11  0:21       ` Marius Mauch
2008-06-11  0:37       ` Brian Harring
2008-06-11  4:24       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  5:20         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  5:39           ` Rémi Cardona
2008-06-11  5:44             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  5:53               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:01                 ` Ciaran McCreesh [this message]
2008-06-11  6:50                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:58                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 10:50                 ` Santiago M. Mola
2008-06-11 12:20                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-21 12:46                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-06-22 10:35                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Volkov
2008-06-11  5:48           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  5:53             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  5:58               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:02                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  6:57                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  7:02                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  7:14                       ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  7:18                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  5:16       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2008-06-11  5:19         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  5:27           ` Ryan Hill
2008-06-11  5:49       ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexis Ballier
2008-06-11  5:54         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  6:01           ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:05             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  6:55               ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  6:59                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11  7:18                   ` Luca Barbato
2008-06-11  7:22                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2008-06-11 13:55                       ` Matthias Langer
2008-06-11  7:23                     ` Richard Brown
2008-06-11 11:30                       ` Thomas Anderson
2008-06-11  9:23   ` Donnie Berkholz
2008-06-11  3:34 ` Brian Harring

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