From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JmboY-0006Pj-Gy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:38:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D7ABE0720; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767E4E0720 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so372768pyg.25 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:38:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=x37oQN1duPAvGXCiLg0LMCrEObC/LCMYIz3RV18KsxY=; b=TLUnjs0j8oQO6YhRbbM09iPSKeN4YYurDFpY1Kr/Us8PPKB+1GuC6YyjstGhGbLTYxbwM7NIBHJuUMKHR3LZUgdZukFC67TsZHr6a1nolIM5O5chK+YUcJouOwXRoWDFn3++Yz5UIMMH67zRl2GLpWb7z3B5GdBewyn2uGaXC5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=DI8xKVUViX+R1IK1IEYxQfsmhpod59n1EWcDmFSqHHAI43mbdciToDP3PO9Z6aUutjUgoQP01HV0Yqc8ckj/ZCzgC9PdMj5Fuz64XZmOao0KUWM8iE5H9NIMF12FKEcT806vJiidYgOri/QRkhzQZIBosZ0G1YVt3ZBtGO5c5jM= Received: by 10.65.176.3 with SMTP id d3mr3438243qbp.37.1208468316049; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.gmail.com ( [66.19.244.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f18sm9000286qba.14.2008.04.17.14.38.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.gmail.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) gentoofan23@gmail.com; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:51:14 -0400 From: Thomas Anderson To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Early stabilisation Message-ID: <20080417215114.GC6762@spoc.mpa.com> References: <20080415224619.387012bc@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <4805CBBA.5030100@gentoo.org> <1208372964.4501.45.camel@cgianelloni.quova.com> <20080416223643.45c3230c@gentoo.org> <4806FFBF.40803@gentoo.org> <20080417153317.5df7fc4e@gentoo.org> <3c32af40804171240y723d8445n1e15799087da5c64@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xesSdrSSBC0PokLI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3c32af40804171240y723d8445n1e15799087da5c64@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Archives-Salt: 286db319-1908-49d2-8e5d-aca56796d908 X-Archives-Hash: 2bd3ff3897e6bd33449debc148121774 --xesSdrSSBC0PokLI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 09:40:22PM +0200, Santiago M. Mola wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200 > > Vlastimil Babka kirjoitti: > > > > > Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his > > > reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifications? > > > > "It works. Do it." > > >=20 > While I agree with you, and I think we are free to request > stabilization before the 30 days window, I also love when people give > details about the stabilization and not just a "do it". >=20 > Emacs team's "test plans" [1] are the better example. Thanks to them > I'm able to save a _lot_ of time figuring out how a package works and > which features should test. >=20 > Some details about changes since last stable are usually useful too. > In latest wgetpaste stabilization [2] we are told that this is a > trivial bugfix release fixing osl support, so we can just test osl > support and skip most of other tests. ++, this really helps the testing get done quicker. > Also, when a program needs a sample file with some obscure format, I > really appreciate when maintainers give a URL to a sample file so I > don't need to search for suitable files and can strictly focus on > testing. Agreed, the fonts team link to a page using the fonts in the package, which makes the package trivial to test. ++ to them. >=20 > Of course, everyone could continue with the "do it" style, but keep in > mind that adding info like I described above can save a lot of AT work > and, as a result, make stabilization process faster. Most of the time I see the "doit" bugs is when the package has broad uses(i.e. coreutils and most things owned by base-system), and I generally don't have a problem when the package has many various uses that all had changes. > [1] http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/emacs/wiki/test%20plans > [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D211894 >=20 >=20 > Regards, > --=20 > Santiago M. Mola > Jabber ID: cooldwind@gmail.com > --=20 > gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list --xesSdrSSBC0PokLI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIB8ZSF6yMcaBxwHkRApfnAKCRBZI5aowQAqYlEPsD3jUeeVY+jACfWhpf rsFAD09+dHdEZIsYrevd13s= =lJP6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xesSdrSSBC0PokLI-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list