From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jg7zy-0005q1-4W for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:35:42 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 74050E0346; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3C4E0346 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24F566C1E; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:35:37 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in sys-apps/iproute2: ChangeLog iproute2-2.6.24.20080108.ebuild Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:39:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Mark Loeser References: <200803301544.55878.vapier@gentoo.org> <20080330211844.GB32327@aerie.halcy0n.com> In-Reply-To: <20080330211844.GB32327@aerie.halcy0n.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2440493.4tEBiBqJ0c"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200803302039.14615.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 40319087-001a-4826-876d-8da262175d7e X-Archives-Hash: f5de61e0c8590feb809be6da5065c038 --nextPart2440493.4tEBiBqJ0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 30 March 2008, Mark Loeser wrote: > Mike Frysinger said: > > On Sunday 30 March 2008, Mark Loeser wrote: > > > Actually, I'd say this should just be removed. If a user wants to > > > apply a patch, they can put their own ebuild into an overlay and do it > > > themselves (presumably if they want to patch something, they'll know > > > how to make the simple modifications to an ebuild). By allowing the > > > user to arbitrarily patch something means we have no idea what the us= er > > > has built and is filing a bug about. If they installed an ebuild from > > > an overlay it is a lot easier to identify what they built. Sure, they > > > could patch the ebuild in their tree, but by supporting user supplied > > > patches easily in this way, we are encouraging them to patch things > > > without our knowledge. If we start supporting this across the board,= I > > > can see bugs being filed when their patches break and they don't > > > understand what is happening. > > > > that's actually exactly what i'm encouraging. i'm not worried about su= ch > > issues as they're easily resolved by people posting the full build log. > > Which is great, but I think this is something we should discuss and > figure out if this is something we want to introduce into the tree (too > late now, but better late than never). If it is something we want to > move forward with, it should be introduced at the package manager level > instead of being an in-tree package manager specific feature. > > I'm coming at this from a QA perspective and if we want to do it for one > package, it should be introduced for all. We should document it and > know how to support it as well. there is no package-manager specificness here. it's already completely doa= ble=20 from a user perspective, just having it in the ebuild makes my life and=20 users' lives easier. i'm using it in packages that tend to have a lot of=20 extraneous patchsets associated with them. the random patches were punted= =20 from ebuilds and now it's up to the user to maintain the feature sets. =2Dmike --nextPart2440493.4tEBiBqJ0c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAR/AyskFjO5/oN/WBAQLenBAAwigL+5ljGMkYNC58iBJWP62YPPgGVeap zsT6upgeqLEJ0ijMc5pV/bxWyyjsCakgJ+VltYB4YXKvC4ZpK1TsLbi2B9bDBMC2 TA/3Ppm51JFJMK+SneFnUJGmHJchdYBSPegEWlssmAfZ+MHaZnWXQgZa/VOWix0k kkHYrlceFrXCZWY4i1km/8R9phkg+4oMbdG0U9JsWLHrD2lNoOWVKX9rNv/znAOH mrZdNyyq6xB8+TZQja/tUp2h7jtwoSOgZPPgBHkO3t1ygu4T5hhmmzlUZ4QCo9Nx VQ5MPBXI+ZqGCDg9Rlupof9WMd98FAEkqlqJU2iygP8GQiiGqBaxbOG3zNsLPfrt cuvtafwUIrgX4IA40ap3dtqwMHtBQQ2iKYyyNIeTGpdxljZe4k9HC1IAw4BQrpe0 f7ExRpH6Oa6+/4oNj+e2OCj4qAyuQXT4wwS1sN7HQN6EZfu4W9Y2f1Qo2JhIxQUB kRTB1KFii1TbJ8BGm/9sVSrBf729qSn+DcsUbzppikkSqt7Np8Y9F3ERGCENhKJ/ bhoeqfppuP0eMGa47VTvM6tBx9TA1hXB7RF+o8b8WGkCM/B8Y1oeT280DIUbKYx8 WOOJ8R/48evFi9+bjNjoeEA4lpmGiPA8Fro/CYxjkCiro2Ju4uPBOJ6L2WjQS9Bu b8sw/2N8NF4= =pr9A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2440493.4tEBiBqJ0c-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list