From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSCwJ-0005Ru-Iw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:02:23 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C53A8E04F5; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.genone.homeip.net (dslb-082-083-013-030.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.83.13.30]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61151E04F5 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.genone.homeip.net (Postfix, from userid 460) id D91F3280A7; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:00:55 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8-gr0-genone_0.7 (2007-02-13) on lyta.genone.homeip.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8-gr0-genone_0.7 Received: from sheridan (sheridan.genone.homeip.net [192.168.0.40]) by mail.genone.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B74F128095 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:00:53 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:02:18 +0100 From: Marius Mauch To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Keyword amd64 -> x86_64 Message-Id: <20080221160218.bdb1755f.genone@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20080220184023.GA1254@gentoo.org> References: <1203530351.26229.17.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <20080220192326.1d332d92.genone@gentoo.org> <20080220184023.GA1254@gentoo.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.1 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i686-pc-mingw32) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 9981d076-7108-4ffb-8190-e575c2126bdf X-Archives-Hash: 8a838071144f8a925cb5d9a640960652 On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:40:23 +0100 Fabian Groffen wrote: > On 20-02-2008 19:23:26 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:59:11 -0500 > > "William L. Thomson Jr." wrote: > > > > > Please excuse my ignorance if this is a naive comment or has been > > > brought up before. With all the non amd processors now with 64bit > > > support. amd64 as a keyword seems a bit odd and off maybe. > > > > > > What's the possibility of switching amd64 to x86_64? > > > > > > Unless the work to do that is greater than the value of the > > > change. > > > > As the benefit is close to nothing IMO the required work is > > definitely greater by several orders of magnitude. > > Well, that depends a bit. We basically introduced x64 a shorthand, > and changed some keywords in prefix, of which I just finished the > transition. It's basically just setting the new keyword in the > profiles, and then gradually changing the keywords, e.g. on a repoman > commit. That's sort of how I did it. You don't need any Portage > support, IMHO. - sorry, but comparing prefix with its limited and (I assume) technically skilled userbase that is used to change to the main tree where people sometimes don't update their system for years is like comparing apples and oranges - you forgot the necessary updates to documentation and renaming of other amd64 related stuff, only changing the keyword would make things worse IMO - what I wanted to say is that any amount of work required to realize this is greater than the benefit - x64 is IMO the worst name for the architecture (originally a MS marketing term later adopted by Sun, looks too similar to x86, name doesn't make any sense really if you compare it to x86) Marius -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list