[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Mike Frysinger]

This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).

If you're supposed to show up, please show up.  If you're not supposed
to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance
for you.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Mark Loeser]

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Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> said:
> This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
> meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
> channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).

This is probably a bit late to be bringing up, but could the council
please discuss the state of PMS and EAPI?  What we mean by that is that
it seems we are using EAPI=1 in the tree, and some of us are concerned
because we can't find any council approved proposal of what EAPI=1
actually means.  It seems to be somewhat documented by bugs, but that
does not seem like nearly enough for a global change like that to be
introduced to the tree.  If you could also discuss how EAPI changes
should be introduced to the tree, like having a GLEP or something
similar, that would be nice as well.

Thanks (and sorry for the late notice),

Halcy0n, solar, and wolf31o2

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Mark Loeser
email         -   halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email         -   mark AT halcy0n DOT com
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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Wulf C. Krueger]

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On Wednesday, 13. February 2008 18:57:58 Mark Loeser wrote:
> This is probably a bit late to be bringing up, but could the council
> please discuss the state of PMS and EAPI?  What we mean by that is that
> it seems we are using EAPI=1 in the tree, and some of us are concerned
> because we can't find any council approved proposal of what EAPI=1
> actually means.

"EAPI=1 approved for use in the main tree
----------------------------------------

Stable portage version 2.1.3.12 supports EAPI=1. It's now officially OK 
to start using it in the main tree. From the ebuild ChangeLog for 
portage:

  This release is the first to have support for EAPI-1 (#194876), which 
  includes SLOT dependencies (#174405), IUSE defaults (#174410), and 
  ECONF_SOURCE support for the default src_compile function (#179380). 
  Package maintainers should carefully consider the backward compatibility 
  consequences before defining EAPI="1" in any ebuilds, especially if
  other packages depend on those ebuilds. See the ebuild(5) and emerge(1) 
  manual pages for EAPI related documentation.

EAPI=1 features are documented in PMS as well as the man pages, but they 
are not yet documented in the devmanual or the dev handbook."

(From 
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20071108-summary.txt)

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Best regards, Wulf

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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Mark Loeser]

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"Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop@gentoo.org> said:
> "EAPI=1 approved for use in the main tree
> ----------------------------------------
> 
> Stable portage version 2.1.3.12 supports EAPI=1. It's now officially OK 
> to start using it in the main tree. From the ebuild ChangeLog for 
> portage:
> 
>   This release is the first to have support for EAPI-1 (#194876), which 
>   includes SLOT dependencies (#174405), IUSE defaults (#174410), and 
>   ECONF_SOURCE support for the default src_compile function (#179380). 
>   Package maintainers should carefully consider the backward compatibility 
>   consequences before defining EAPI="1" in any ebuilds, especially if
>   other packages depend on those ebuilds. See the ebuild(5) and emerge(1) 
>   manual pages for EAPI related documentation.
> 
> EAPI=1 features are documented in PMS as well as the man pages, but they 
> are not yet documented in the devmanual or the dev handbook."

Okay, so I stand corrected about them approving it.  Where is the
approved specification though?  PMS is still a draft the last time I
heard, and if it isn't, we should have a non-moving version that is
authoritive about EAPI=1.  (And no, the man pages are not a
specification, nor is a list of bugs...give us one document that we can
point to)

I can get it put into devmanual as soon as I can find the approved
authoritative source to base information off of.

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Mark Loeser
email         -   halcy0n AT gentoo DOT org
email         -   mark AT halcy0n DOT com
web           -   http://www.halcy0n.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Wulf C. Krueger]

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On Wednesday, 13. February 2008 19:34:37 Mark Loeser wrote:
> Okay, so I stand corrected about them approving it.  Where is the
> approved specification though?  

That's something I asked the council, too, here:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.council/110

I got no response from the council on the list. Thus, I asked during the 
next council meeting's "open floor" session:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20071213-summary.txt

The last paragraph of the summary shows the (non-)result.

> PMS is still a draft the last time I heard, 

Well, considering that the approval refers to PMS, some version of it 
seems to be authoritative. :-) 

I just don't know which one (and, as can be seen from the full log of said 
meeting, I consider the external PMS repository authoritative until a 
council decision) and 

git+ssh://<username>@git.gentoo.org/var/gitroot/pms

which was once the "official" copy of the repository doesn't seem to exist 
anymore.

> and if it isn't, we should have a non-moving version that is 
> authoritive about EAPI=1.  (And no, the man pages are not a
> specification, nor is a list of bugs...give us one document that we can
> point to)

Totally agreed.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 08:07:02PM +0100, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> git+ssh://<username>@git.gentoo.org/var/gitroot/pms
> which was once the "official" copy of the repository doesn't seem to exist 
> anymore.
Because it was moved to the overlays, and the original thread about Git
repos (which was on -core) was amended to say that:
http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/pms.git

Yes, 2007-12-07 was still the last commit made to the SVN side that was
cloned to the Git repo. All of the responsible parties have access
(presently ciaranm,spb,vapier).

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Gentoo Linux Developer & Infra Guy
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[gentoo-dev] One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for February

[Mike Frysinger]

This is your one-day friendly reminder !  The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net.  See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).

If you're supposed to show up, please show up.  If you're not supposed
to show up, then show up anyways and watch your Council monkeys dance
for you.

For more info on the Gentoo Council, feel free to browse our homepage:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/