From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JGOv8-0001U1-K4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:24:22 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7346CE02B6; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510ADE02B6 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5879065ADC; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:24:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Concerns about WIPE_TMP change Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:23:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: Olivier Galibert References: <479156FF.5030508@xs4all.nl> <20080119232920.GA17770@dspnet.fr.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <20080119232920.GA17770@dspnet.fr.eu.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart15602505.XM3ggoDMTf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801192023.27216.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 1dfb7604-32ad-417b-bd80-753639f35e72 X-Archives-Hash: 50ec0c43cce93d6614f703c4378b5e84 --nextPart15602505.XM3ggoDMTf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 19 January 2008, Olivier Galibert wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2008 at 10:18:35PM +0000, Duncan wrote: > > Richard Freeman posted 4791F359.1050500@gentoo.org, > > > I think that this would probably warrant an elog. Sure, anybody who > > > knows the "correct" way to admin unix doesn't put anything important = in > > > /tmp - but educating our users before blowing away their data isn't a > > > bad thing. We shouldn't assume our users are idiots, but this is an > > > obscure enough piece of admin knowledge that I think that users will = be > > > impacted by the change. > > > > Obscure? It's the directory name (says another with both /tmp and /var/ > > tmp on tmpfs). How much less obscure can you get than announcing it > > every time the path is referenced or specified? Who could reasonably > > argue that tmp doesn't mean tmp? > > Tmp has never meant "erase at restart", because restarts are often not > predictable. Tmp has sometimes meant things like "erased after a > week", or "erased when space gets low", but never "erased after > restart" which is just unusable. dont know where you get this "unusable" business from. ive never had a=20 problem with it and ive been using WIPE_TMP since i introduced it which has= =20 been over a year (maybe two or three). nor has it been a problem for=20 everyone who mounts /tmp as a tmpfs. nor anyone else who uses /tmp=20 correctly. > Frankly, if I'm writing a long email (which mutt stores in /tmp) and a > powerloss makes it gone even if I was saving it from time to time > while I was writing it, I'll get annoyed. Severely annoyed. i dont know what sort of magic you think is going on behind the scenes. th= ere=20 is no guarantee that mutt will write every byte after you type it, flush th= e=20 I/O buffer, and make sure it gets synced to the disc. or that the kernel h= as=20 actually synced it to the disk. or that the disk has actually written it o= ut=20 of its own I/O buffer to the drive. =2Dmike --nextPart15602505.XM3ggoDMTf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAR5Kij0FjO5/oN/WBAQJJ+hAA1yBE3obTqyCAwrIGYIpOpPVyb4NzlqMV unfMuZK/VzonQ25pxqvVTAxBuW82km7KQeXIsIcFXCXLzEgScn6vrH5IDFdIh7Pq FS7Z+28JRwUGOgcZ03dS1No4qZHGYO1Em50KuIaLDh1UwNoUgFDsX7x6kk3rg7xS uaykjSH+vqf8fwUJ+Bca3Mt41zaq1znoMvh4/2MheOnnAN+gUpGOocns6cgAILJq QasQL6cbBaNNh7fxRbSPDHFme1ezuVFnCxWGeAAaDqxZ5BzpHEJGpNTYIjGbh/kY SlRk/mOxNE+ddXl3IdqTWHolN3bh/o7TdRjfzfPCVYAmDx21KLjXv5iOvH8BszGv ZCiw8AjwDHlew92gwJOqlfnTK/jTW959oRy25PAsTQ/PDat6tIywTBG+Z6CJcXu9 KXlk6GbuAqPgrLwiYMMdd587CVRNf1idyeYJdHLMwdKb7r2evL4kmJUfpig8BDuD cX3191+AcfLLsaruh/a3stm7f+sey36VS9VWuVgaT/LqQYs21ynjccLe4x5hs/gX XR+OtYF/CoewurNRZ8dJUNQQxv/LRZcenEOUOVHmipesHicynXJIE6TYdhXP5Jv9 ATwNGJeqmEN32mi4M53FcSV7tdI4SU7PWhwlJqJMGDcHEBJPgKhGcOZAFYgq1UmZ de3AfS3OcJc= =Qcm2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart15602505.XM3ggoDMTf-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list