From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JEjat-0007k5-4t for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:04:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8B85E0785; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE91E0785 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72191B4787; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:04:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Mike Frysinger Organization: wh0rd.org To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking questions for a user survey Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:04:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 Cc: likewhoa References: <20080114123348.GH5504@curie-int.orbis-terrarum.net> <1200356205.6546.148.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3512147.Z02BEg0QdT"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200801150604.31790.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 1eb570a9-793f-4cc3-8c97-f18a55d4fe24 X-Archives-Hash: d483d0540ce82a671c65dbe795ebc705 --nextPart3512147.Z02BEg0QdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 14 January 2008, likewhoa wrote: > On Jan 15, 2008 12:16 AM, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 22:53 +0000, likewhoa wrote: > > > Which livecd(s) do they prefer? > > > > > > > Gentoo livecd-2007.0 > > > > Sabayon livecd > > > > Sysresccd > > > > Knoppix > > > > My own > > > > Other > > > > Be sure to list the Minimal CD and the Universal CD, as well as the > > LiveCD, and also list the LiveDVD. We'll have to relate this data to > > the architecture used when we try to make anything useful out of it, but > > it'll be more accurate, as I definitely want to know *which* Gentoo > > media people are using. I would also add something like "an older > > Gentoo CD" to the mix. > > > > > Do you think commercial packages should be part of the main tree? > > > > > > > Yes > > > > No > > > > Why not > > > > Never! > > > > in unofficial overlay > > > > Dunno > > > > Is this something that we really even want to ask? I mean, if we're all > > about trying to provide the best user experience, then binary packages > > are almost a requirement, especially with binary packages that were > > originally targeted at specific binary distributions. I tend to see > > this as one of those "religious" issues that is best left alone, like > > emacs versus vi. > > Yea commercial packages should maybe be part of overlays.gentoo.org so > that the tree can stay clean from these types of packages. But I agree > if it's decided not to included in the user survey. i dont see any basis for "keeping the tree clean" other than personal=20 opinions. if you dont want "these types of packages", then dont emerge the= m. =20 there are people who want them, there are people who need them, there are=20 people who hate them, whatever. the package manager is the tool for the en= d=20 user to decide what to do with their system. anything else is not the way = to=20 go. to borrow a few flavor words from Chris, here in Gentoo land we empowe= r=20 the users, we do not force some arbitrary religious thinking on them. we a= re=20 not the FSF. if a user does not agree with this, then they're certainly fr= ee=20 to choose another distribution, and we'll wish them the best of luck (the F= SF=20 does have a list of "recommended" distributions -- Gentoo of course does no= t=20 appear on that list because our mind set does not match theirs). =2Dmike --nextPart3512147.Z02BEg0QdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQIVAwUAR4yTP0FjO5/oN/WBAQIbsRAA3X/2WJY7r+rgJyJCmMLfkM3grpCAv1ij HDg3+bvaRURTdLMU2VBYLWYG1FmB1sjFMoWJWTUGgVtFinjxVhj0UCSEd6NCVLTW bRiK2XnK8s1MzXJtVGPt4FLBMPzOcxU6wpbaAuasuRbiSQw6YDjqaU6CJCTXxHq0 jwvCfkVaQfYlpa+0CYZ3q7sCvxr5XXzbQUsqVmiDM680yEjT+lSG5D3n8rZ7aUmw seDxWhfAw2oAVYSIqpWTGUpNbvf+KbbdTdliSWdyLE8ryfYml5f4SvzNzWEhJ/gT ehu4FqrVCziQ3PDa8jn2UsKcguSRppNLuNRzO0M4JxfezS0KQHRF+QEwG0sr2/GS W5d0Tmqst/3wSbDMvIJjeV4zCMvWqbMr87HaDA7sB9NoGjQPEZV/Om6ObY0SHu5V jvaeV+J0y6NBCxkCJmXMS3zLvywoXATpWhaXhdpEUWg30QLYBLzmvlFVInLo3ln/ eRRVd+2iRRk65l9pxRxQqjoxxd66oiyT3Xw0ZPpr7CmDt2A2Txlc/46jPz7m6sr/ mnQYK9hm+FC5UlPwsfjwreSgP4gEfUVGf9blercQSAnyrIn3HV797ZYefr/1OMBU VXf82iqBEUpSCLjVUzhKVVFZD3kUMYP4KEjC3UdU+Q7QaEqXchVWoo6NkuBr2F2A cbO9k4PRMvs= =+ZWt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3512147.Z02BEg0QdT-- -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list