From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IBdAV-0003LH-Ce for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:04:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6JL3FDd012712; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:03:15 GMT Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org (170.Red-213-96-222.staticIP.rima-tde.net [213.96.222.170]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6JKxmN2006527 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:59:48 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892368D34B for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.ferdyx.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tungsteno [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20711-03 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from snowflake (82-41-57-20.cable.ubr08.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.57.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.ferdyx.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262308D305 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:53:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:59:33 +0100 From: Ciaran McCreesh To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Improving developer/user communication (was Re: net-im/pidgin protocols) Message-ID: <20070719215933.014b21cd@snowflake> In-Reply-To: <469FCD7A.1090506@bellsouth.net> References: <469F1C56.6070600@gentoo.org> <469F372A.9060107@gentoo.org> <469F3A9F.7030004@gentoo.org> <46A0DE7B.6030009@gentoo.org> <469F9271.9080908@gentoo.org> <469FC366.8020304@gmail.com> <20070719212506.09a52e94@snowflake> <469FCD7A.1090506@bellsouth.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.2 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_diEXGInVLk7K5ByWDLd2pzK; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at ferdyx.org X-Archives-Salt: c28b3b47-7d00-4a79-8e12-e7ad9fc7ef72 X-Archives-Hash: 2d267e9c60b4f13a6a9e1e9534e441a4 --Sig_diEXGInVLk7K5ByWDLd2pzK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:45:46 -0500 Dale wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > Any user who will see and respond to a question is unrepresentative > > of the user base in general. >=20 > So if ten users reply then, are all ten individually wrong too? Not my point. My point is that most Gentoo users would either not see the question or not respond. Those that both see the question and take time to respond are highly atypical. > I wish ALL users would vote in a poll on the forums That wouldn't tell you what all users want though. It would tell you what forum users who take the time to respond to a poll want. Again, not a representative sample. And that's the issue at hand -- Gentoo has an extremely hard time delivering information to most users. Getting information back is even trickier. The set of people who respond is heavily skewed towards better-informed users who have time to seek out and participate in that kind of questioning. > as to what we the users want and what direction we want Gentoo to go > in. I want guaranteed total stability, instantly available updates, guaranteed backwards compatibility, the ability to install any package from source using my configuration of choice in under fifteen seconds and a herd of nubile bisexual redheads. Can Gentoo deliver that? > It's no different than elections here in the US, people gripe but > most of the gripers don't vote. Do you really think it would make any difference if they did? All it would do is lend credibility to the process, and provide people with the argument "well you voted so you agree to accept the decision of the majority". --=20 Ciaran McCreesh --Sig_diEXGInVLk7K5ByWDLd2pzK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGn9C196zL6DUtXhERAtQaAKDZSoImgCKLX58woZMZRzBY7gNXnwCfYB6O PtZvfHyiaUJnypTSXD0y8CA= =wSGZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_diEXGInVLk7K5ByWDLd2pzK-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list