[gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Ferris McCormick]

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Here's one I should sleep on -- I didn't:

 Not much.
  Very few Comments.
  I'll start them.
  1.  Council is just wrong.  They are also just gone.

  2. I am just wrong.  Most likely.

  3.  Council blew it.  They ignore what proctors were doing, killed
COC, and
  punted..


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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Timothy Redaelli]

Alle domenica 15 luglio 2007, Ferris McCormick ha scritto:
> Here's one I should sleep on -- I didn't:
>
>  Not much.
>   Very few Comments.
>   I'll start them.
>   1.  Council is just wrong.  They are also just gone.
>
>   2. I am just wrong.  Most likely.
>
>   3.  Council blew it.  They ignore what proctors were doing, killed
> COC, and
>   punted..

I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.

Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting. 
As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).

cheers,
	Wernfried

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[gentoo-dev] Re: council and proctors

[Steve Long]

Wernfried Haas wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
>> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
> 
> Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting.
> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
> and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).
> 
Is it just me, or has the current Council grown bored of posting links to
the logs to this list? There seem to be an awful lot of unannounced,
unlogged meetings, and one is at a loss to know whether these have been
full meetings or the "two of us got together and decided" sort of affair.

Code and conduct: the only things that really count.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: council and proctors

[Petteri Räty]

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Steve Long kirjoitti:
> Wernfried Haas wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
>>> I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
>> Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting.
>> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
>> and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).
>>
> Is it just me, or has the current Council grown bored of posting links to
> the logs to this list? There seem to be an awful lot of unannounced,
> unlogged meetings, and one is at a loss to know whether these have been
> full meetings or the "two of us got together and decided" sort of affair.
> 
> Code and conduct: the only things that really count.
> 
> 

Logs yes but the monthly meetings have been at the same time in the same
place.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Ferris McCormick]

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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:08:31 +0200
Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 05:11:56PM +0200, Timothy Redaelli wrote:
> > I have always thought that proctors/COC is useless, I vote to remove it.
> 
> Proctors have already been removed in the last council meeting. 
> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is
> and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).

I am sure not devrel.  That's one reason we had proctors to begin
with.  Council, I guess.
> 
> cheers,
> 	Wernfried
> 
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Wernfried, regards,

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RE: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Chrissy Fullam]

 
Ferris McCormick <fmccor@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> Wernfried Haas <amne@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> As far the CoC is concerned, i'm not sure what the current status is 
>> and if anyone is supposed to enforce it atm (devrel? userrel?).

> I am sure not devrel.  That's one reason we had proctors to begin
> with.  Council, I guess.

While I cant say for sure what fmccor meant by the above comment, I can say
that he is speaking for himself, not on behalf of the Developer Relations
team.
Developer Relations will continue to assist on requests and any extra bit
that we can. We will see which way this ML thing takes Gentoo and offer our
support in any way we can.

Kind regards,
Christina Fullam
Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | GWN Author


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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Mon, Jul 16, 2007 at 04:58:43PM -0700, Chrissy Fullam wrote:
> Developer Relations will continue to assist on requests and any extra bit
> that we can. We will see which way this ML thing takes Gentoo and offer our
> support in any way we can.

Nice statement from a PR POV, but i really have problems understanding
the actual message. :-P
So the way i read it devrel would like to do something if requested,
but isn't supposed to enforce the CoC, nor has the authority?

cheers,
	Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2007-07-17 at 09:41 +0200, Wernfried Haas wrote:
> So the way i read it devrel would like to do something if requested,
> but isn't supposed to enforce the CoC, nor has the authority?

Considering that the Code of Conduct is a subset of the regular Gentoo
developer policies that Developer Relations already enforces, I would
say that they are definitely enforcing the CoC and have the authority.
What DevRel currently doesn't have is authority to exercise over users,
rather than just developers.  Basically, we're back to where we were
before we had the Proctors, except we have a more succinct document on
what is expected behavior.  There are several proposals out now (you've
seen the enormous thread, I'm sure) dealing with possible alternative
solutions to the Proctors.  One of them will likely be implemented some
time soon.  We'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Wernfried Haas]

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On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:09:58PM -0700, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Considering that the Code of Conduct is a subset of the regular Gentoo
> developer policies that Developer Relations already enforces, I would
> say that they are definitely enforcing the CoC and have the authority.
> What DevRel currently doesn't have is authority to exercise over users,
> rather than just developers.  Basically, we're back to where we were
> before we had the Proctors, except we have a more succinct document on
> what is expected behavior.  There are several proposals out now (you've
> seen the enormous thread, I'm sure) dealing with possible alternative
> solutions to the Proctors.  One of them will likely be implemented some
> time soon.  We'll just have to wait and see.

That was about what i would have guessed - thanks for the explanation.

cheers,
	Wernfried

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Re: [gentoo-dev] council and proctors

[Ioannis Aslanidis]

 3.  Council blew it.  They ignore what proctors were doing, killed
COC, and
 punted..
++

Poor job or rather interests conflict.

On 7/15/07, Ferris McCormick <fmccor@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> Here's one I should sleep on -- I didn't:
>
>  Not much.
>   Very few Comments.
>   I'll start them.
>   1.  Council is just wrong.  They are also just gone.
>
>   2. I am just wrong.  Most likely.
>
>   3.  Council blew it.  They ignore what proctors were doing, killed
> COC, and
>   punted..
>
>
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> Ferris McCormick (P44646, MI) <fmccor@gentoo.org>
> Developer, Gentoo Linux (Sparc, Devrel)
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